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2012 Hill AFB Air Show - Warriors Over the Wasatch

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I'm not sure when it was announced, but I just heard the dates for the 2012 air show will be May 26 -May 27.

Website is: Hill Air Force Base - WarriorsOverTheWasatch

Big bummer though is the prohibited items list: "Scanners of any kind." Wish the organizers would change their mind on that one. Seems air shows I have attended in the past have had a large contingent of listeners - particularly to the VHF and Mil air bands. It's definitely a big part of enjoying the event for me. Is this a new trend nationwide to ban receivers, or is it just localized to this event?
 

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I would implore everyone to call and email the air show coordinators and ask them to reverse their misguided decision to ban scanners. I refuse to attend unless I can bring a scanner, period. I've NEVER heard of an air show banning them, this is absurd.
 

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my thought would be, find the freqs, they are using and doing a radio feed for smart phones. can they ban that also. banning scanners of any type is BULL***** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Airshow 2012

In order to access the flight line area, everyone will have to pass through metal detectors.
So be smart. No contraband. Weapons, pocket knives, metal combs, scanners.

No one is going to search your vehicle unless you give them Probable Cause.
You could enter the base and remain at your vehicle and see the air show from there.
(Along with your scanner) (But the porta-potties are beyond the checkpoints)

Ok, if someone is thinking of streaming audio, you must have a digital scanner for mil freqs. Choose the ones you think will be best. Post them and let us evaluate.

In the past, the base held training exercises along with local civilian fire depts one week before the airshow. Also, there has always been two airshows. A practice one on a Friday for base employees and local police, fire, & emt's. (they will all be on duty during the main air show on a Saturday)

From my archives:
Sat Jun 10, 2006
Davis Simo UCAN TG's
10752 - OPS 3 - County and City Medic and Fire units on Base
18464 - Event 2 - UHP traffic around the base

Sat Jun 12, 2004
The Hill Command Post was using TG 18720 Event 10 on UCAN system, for
Davis County fire and Medical units.
On TG 18464 Event 2 on UCAN, I'm hearing UHP and UDOT units working traffic. The T-bird's when flying were on 143.850 AM.

Hill AFB TRS
Lot of traffic on main TG's also the following
13008 - Ground Boss Net
13024 - Ground Boss radio checking
13064 - UNK
so far everything is Digital on Hill
Scot Wagner

Thu Jun 3, 2004
A week prior to airshow, the base holds a training exercise:
These TGRP's were active:
10080 BIO-ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION (Public Health)
10096 Medical Net
10112 Medical Net
10128 MCC Mobile Command Center
10720 CRASH Ch (Fire Dept)
09472 EOD BASE
11216 Oscar/Ready (Active during airshow training exercise)
09600 Security Police Main Ch
09616 Security Police Alt Ch
Jargon: DIM count= D.I.M. (Dead, Injured, Missing)


AIRCRAFT FREQS:
127.15 Hill Tower
121.6 Hill Ground
Thunderbird Freqs from Police Call 2004 p435
322.95 T Birds
295.7 T Birds F1
273.5 T Birds F2
283.5 T Birds F3
322.3 T Birds F4
322.6 T Birds F5
382.9 T Birds F6
394.0 T Birds F7
413.000 T Birds ground support (AM)
413.025 T Birds
138.875 T Birds parachutists
140.4 T Birds
141.4 T Birds 4 plane formation
141.85 T Birds Link 1
143.85 T Birds Link 2
148.55 T Birds Maintenance
 
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Accidents happen, pray for the best, plan for the worst.

Awesome Thunderbird aircraft crash and Ejection - YouTube

http://www.ejectionsite.com/thunderbird6.htm

The second death occurred May 9, 1981 at Hill AFB, Utah, when Captain David "Nick" Hauck flying Thunderbird 6 crashed while attempting to execute a slow speed maneuver. The high density altitude and subtly rising terrain coupled with Capt Hauck's slow speed put him in a dangerous flight envelope. He hit the ground before realizing his precarious situation. The aircraft hit a large oak tree and a barn, then slid across a field and flipped as it traversed an irrigation canal, ultimately erupting into a fireball just a few hundred feet from the runway's end. No one on the ground was injured even though the wreck occurred adjacent to a roadway packed with onlookers.
 
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In order to access the flight line area, everyone will have to pass through metal detectors.
So be smart. No contraband. Weapons, pocket knives, metal combs, scanners.

No one is going to search your vehicle unless you give them Probable Cause.
You could enter the base and remain at your vehicle and see the air show from there.
(Along with your scanner) (But the porta-potties are beyond the checkpoints)

Ok, if someone is thinking of streaming audio, you must have a digital scanner for mil freqs. Choose the ones you think will be best. Post them and let us evaluate.

In the past, the base held training exercises along with local civilian fire depts one week before the airshow. Also, there has always been two airshows. A practice one on a Friday for base employees and local police, fire, & emt's. (they will all be on duty during the main air show on a Saturday)

From my archives:
Sat Jun 10, 2006
Davis Simo UCAN TG's
10752 - OPS 3 - County and City Medic and Fire units on Base
18464 - Event 2 - UHP traffic around the base

Sat Jun 12, 2004
The Hill Command Post was using TG 18720 Event 10 on UCAN system, for
Davis County fire and Medical units.
On TG 18464 Event 2 on UCAN, I'm hearing UHP and UDOT units working traffic. The T-bird's when flying were on 143.850 AM.

Hill AFB TRS
Lot of traffic on main TG's also the following
13008 - Ground Boss Net
13024 - Ground Boss radio checking
13064 - UNK
so far everything is Digital on Hill
Scot Wagner

Thu Jun 3, 2004
A week prior to airshow, the base holds a training exercise:
These TGRP's were active:
10080 BIO-ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION (Public Health)
10096 Medical Net
10112 Medical Net
10128 MCC Mobile Command Center
10720 CRASH Ch (Fire Dept)
09472 EOD BASE
11216 Oscar/Ready (Active during airshow training exercise)
09600 Security Police Main Ch
09616 Security Police Alt Ch
Jargon: DIM count= D.I.M. (Dead, Injured, Missing)


AIRCRAFT FREQS:
127.15 Hill Tower
121.6 Hill Ground
Thunderbird Freqs from Police Call 2004 p435
322.95 T Birds
295.7 T Birds F1
273.5 T Birds F2
283.5 T Birds F3
322.3 T Birds F4
322.6 T Birds F5
382.9 T Birds F6
394.0 T Birds F7
413.000 T Birds ground support (AM)
413.025 T Birds
138.875 T Birds parachutists
140.4 T Birds
141.4 T Birds 4 plane formation
141.85 T Birds Link 1
143.85 T Birds Link 2
148.55 T Birds Maintenance
Those are really old, outdated...

Try these from last year:

139.225
139.800
140.700
141.075
235.250
235.350
318.850
322.950
 
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I'd suggest making an article on your scanning wiki for this event - that way next year, and for years thereafter, you have a record of used freqs/talkgroups that can spot a pattern.

We have several such examples in our own wiki if you would like some ideas...Mike
 
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The USAF base air shows always have the most screwed up, and overly restrictive rules it seems.
Last year at Keesler "transceivers" were specifically on the banned list but not scanners. There was actually a Navy Master at Arms on the checkpoint I went through and he didn't touch, or even noticeably look at the 2 scanners I had with me. A USAF person was a couple of "lanes" over doing everything short of full cavity searches on the people in her line. A perfect example of the USAF vs USN mentality towards this type of thing.

Here apparently a scanner is a bigger threat than a transciever, so I guess a wideband receive HAM, or other such HT would be fine here then. :roll:

FYI the MT 2012 Air Show is now available from the Amazon Kindle store for 99 cents. Pretty cool.
Milcom Monitoring Post: MT March 2012 Air Show issue now available for Kindle
FYI 2 you can look at and copy and paste all the freq info from the preview, OOPS!
 
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Not that I personally give a crap but those planning on attending will be disappointed by this report that says the Air Force pulled F16 flight demo teams from many airshows (including Hill)

Air Force cuts back on air show demonstrations | ksl.com
Given that the Thunderbirds will be there it's not a huge blow.


And the Air Force has disbanded every flight demo team save the F/A-22 which is only scheduled to appear at 20 shows.

Hill is advertising and F/A-22 and B-2 on static display. This will be the first B-2 on static in Utah that I'm aware of.
 
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Those are really old, outdated...

Try these from last year:

139.225
139.800
140.700
141.075
235.250
235.350
318.850
322.950

I knew they were old, that's why I included the dates with them.
My experience at the last airshow, with a scanner:
The most active/interesting channel was the base fire dept.
EMT's on foot & bicycles roam the crowds looking for medical situations.
Several people overcome by the heat and also a possible heart attack.
Real life emergencies.

Some Security Police traffic concerning lost kids.

All of the other talk groups of the base were dead, on standby in case.
Any civilians needing medical treatment were transported by Davis County Ambulance (Layton Ambulance)

I think there were two thunderbird channels active, but they were about as exciting as listening to police motorcycle drill teams during a local parade.

So, I suggest that if someone wants to stream audio, whittle down the list.
 
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I'd suggest making an article on your scanning wiki for this event - that way next year, and for years thereafter, you have a record of used freqs/talkgroups that can spot a pattern.

We have several such examples in our own wiki if you would like some ideas...Mike

Problem is, and I'm probably not alone, is that I do not know the first thing
about putting something on the wiki.

When our yahoo group was really active, all we had to do was upload a file to
our discussion group site. We used text, MS Word, and Excel.

I know, we have a world-wide audience, and everyone doesn't have Windows, so the info must be readable by all.
 
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