2018 Santa Barbara City FD Comm Plan

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Here are a couple of random items related to the document.

1. "Tac" or "Tactical" seems to indicate a channel that a dispatcher does NOT monitor. All of the tac channels seem to be simplex / non repeaterized. All of the tac channels might be just used by mobiles and portables. Except that Atascadoro has a repeater labeled as "Tac".

2. Los Angeles County has 154.34 and 154.43 with no PL on receive. Why? Maybe just because "we can". ie these are legacy channels that go way way back, and we wont ever hear anyone else using them.

3. Does anyone know the repeater locations for the Santa Barbara County command repeaters? I assume that they do NOT have 20 repeaters on each command channel. Possibly some command channels operate in just certain parts of the county. Perhaps checking the FCC database can answer that question. Lets take a look. [per 2015 FCC info - Ch1 has 5 repeaters - Ch2 has 3 - Ch3 has 1 - Ch4 has 8 - Ch5 has 1 - Ch6 has 1 - lets see if anything has been licensed since 2015]

4. Blue items seem to be the new items for 2018

5. In San Luis Obispo County- do county units use 154.385R and state units use 151.325R? Is paging done on both channels? Or is 154.385R primary and is 151.325R secondary? Or ??????
 
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Here are a couple of random items related to the document.

1. "Tac" or "Tactical" seems to indicate a channel that a dispatcher does NOT monitor. All of the tac channels seem to be simplex / non repeaterized. All of the tac channels might be just used by mobiles and portables. Except that Atascadoro has a repeater labeled as "Tac".

2. Los Angeles County has 154.34 and 154.43 with no PL on receive. Why? Maybe just because "we can". ie these are legacy channels that go way way back, and we wont ever hear anyone else using them.

3. Does anyone know the repeater locations for the Santa Barbara County command repeaters? I assume that they do NOT have 20 repeaters on each command channel. Possibly some command channels operate in just certain parts of the county. Perhaps checking the FCC database can answer that question. Lets take a look. [per 2015 FCC info - Ch1 has 5 repeaters - Ch2 has 3 - Ch3 has 1 - Ch4 has 8 - Ch5 has 1 - Ch6 has 1 - lets see if anything has been licensed since 2015]

4. Blue items seem to be the new items for 2018

5. In San Luis Obispo County- do county units use 154.385R and state units use 151.325R? Is paging done on both channels? Or is 154.385R primary and is 151.325R secondary? Or ??????


for question #5, this answer is about 8 years old but appears to still be accurate-
"every department besides Atascadero, Paso, SLO City, Morro Bay, and 5 Cities is dispatched By county fire on 154.385mhz All county incidents are assigned either SLU Local or one of the County CMD nets (River Cmd, Bay Cmd, or 5 Cities Cmd) and a tac net (calcord for tc's/medical aids the vfire's for structure fires and misc fires, and one of the units CDF Tac's)."

paging is done on 154.385.
 

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In regards to Santa Barbara County FD command channels, the FCC info at Radio Reference shows the following quantity of FB2 entries for the command channels -

Ch 1 - 153.77 - 17 entries for FB2 (repeater)
Ch 2 - 153.905 - 14 entries
Ch 3 - 153.98 - 17 entries
Ch 4 - 156.135 - approx 20 entries
Ch 5 - 154.875 - 20 entries
Ch 6 - 150.995 - 20 entries

maybe there are more - maybe some are located outside of Santa Barbara County

154.25 shows 1 FB2 - perhaps that is a data entry - maybe not

(154.86 shows 2 repeater entries - maybe that is animal control or something)

This will take much more work to figure out

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on a different note - there does not seem to be any of the Wildland Residents fire channels in the frequency load - and the Chugash Indian fire freq is not included - and and 150.79 might conflict with County SAR - and no freqs for Vandenburgh - etc
 

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Does anyone know the repeater locations for the Santa Barbara County command repeaters? I assume that they do NOT have 20 repeaters on each command channel. Possibly some command channels operate in just certain parts of the county. Perhaps checking the FCC database can answer that question. Lets take a look. [per 2015 FCC info - Ch1 has 5 repeaters - Ch2 has 3 - Ch3 has 1 - Ch4 has 8 - Ch5 has 1 - Ch6 has 1 - lets see if anything has been licensed since 2015]

There are several repeater sites that operate simulcast countywide and other modules that can be switched on as needed in areas not covered well by the main sites. The main sites are:

Santa Ynez Peak
Tepusquet Peak
Santa Cruz Island
Harris Grade
Plowshare Peak

Dispatch is on Command One. Large incidents are assigned a command channel with Command Two being mostly used on the South Coast and Command Three being used mainly in North County. Tac channels are also assigned by incident. The tac channels are simplex only with no link to the dispatchers. Additional command channels are assigned to multiple incidents. Command Six is often used as a logistics channel in major brush fire. The system suffers from phase distortion despite major efforts to keep the sites synchronized.

As far as I know all sites have repeaters on all command channels. However, some commands work better in some parts of the county than others. The large number of listings is the result of each fire station having a base radio and all other departments in the county being able to operate on the county system.

In spite of the apparent capabilities of the system it bogs down because there is normally only one dispatcher for all six command channels. Frequently calls go unanswered due to the overload of multiple incidents on several channels.

Santa Barbara County is part of Pulse Point. This makes it easy to set alerts for emergencies. Mine is set for vegetation and structure fires. Thus, I can leave my receivers off until there is a call of the type I'm interested in.

Other county services like roads, health department, animal control and parks are on an 800Mhz (non-trunked) system. Listings in the RR database are incorrect. I will post the new frequencies and users when I get it straight.
 

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In regards to Santa Barbara County FD command channels, the FCC info at Radio Reference shows the following quantity of FB2 entries for the command channels -

Ch 1 - 153.77 - 17 entries for FB2 (repeater)
Ch 2 - 153.905 - 14 entries
Ch 3 - 153.98 - 17 entries
Ch 4 - 156.135 - approx 20 entries
Ch 5 - 154.875 - 20 entries
Ch 6 - 150.995 - 20 entries

maybe there are more - maybe some are located outside of Santa Barbara County

154.25 shows 1 FB2 - perhaps that is a data entry - maybe not

(154.86 shows 2 repeater entries - maybe that is animal control or something)

This will take much more work to figure out

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on a different note - there does not seem to be any of the Wildland Residents fire channels in the frequency load - and the Chugash Indian fire freq is not included - and and 150.79 might conflict with County SAR - and no freqs for Vandenburgh - etc

There are not 17 or 20 repeaters - just basically the mountain top locations in my previous posts.

154.250 is the input for 153.770. No repeaters on that frequency.

154.860 is unknown to me. Animal control, parks and roads are on 800Mhz.

The Wildland Residents Association has their own repeater. Along with the Chumash they are cooperators with the USFS (mainly) and the Santa Barbara County Fire Dept. They talk to other agencies, but not the reverse.

Vandenberg is sort of the same situation. They use military frequencies on the base. For mutual aid they will use the county's frequencies or CDF. Also they can use USFS channels.

Although it may appear chaotic, it works very well in practice. Also, remember you're looking at the frequency load for Santa Barbara City not Santa Barbara County.
 

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ko6jw_2 thanks alot for the info on Santa Barbara County

Looking at the SLO info, it all seems to match. The only questionable item in my mind is XSL Tac 6 being the same as 5 Cities Command (154.145 PL 88.5).

Radio Reference and FCC do have some additional items for SLO County that are not in the Santa Barbara City Comm Plan. I will address that in a different post.
 

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Are you actually in this county or are you just trying to make a database?

There are errors in this document. This document shouldn't be publicly posted in any case, some of the frequencies are SBU and should be redacted.
 

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Does anyone know if CAL FIRE has changed some of their "Group 3" Tac channels? Here's why I'm asking...

- On RRDB, CDF TAC 24 shows as 151.33250 MHz. On the document, it shows as 131.31750 MHz.
- On RRDB, CDF TAC 25 shows as 159.27750 MHz. On the document, it shows as 159.35250 MHz.
 

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This document is incorrect in multiple regards, including tac 24,25, 33 (which was changed in 2019), inclusion of CDF command 5, and some misc PL tones. It also has XPL Command (should be renamed PCF command with the 2018 update--however the freq is correct)


TAC 24 and 25 were the input/output for CDF Command 5. Command 5 was removed from the load with the 2018 updated and Command 12 was added. Command 5 frequencies are now used for AVL. Thus, T24 and T25 had to be replaced, and they are replaced with the C12 input/output frequencies. This all happened with the 2018 update. 2019 changed Tac 33 due to an typo.

It’s not going to be as accurate as it’s a city-level not County level load. The XMY load on another thread is more accurate. Most of the time, it's a single engineer or captain updating the radio plan while he's balancing twelve other things at the same time. Things will be overlooked.
 
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This document is incorrect in multiple regards, including tac 24,25, 33 (which was changed in 2019), inclusion of CDF command 5, and some misc PL tones. It also has XPL Command (should be renamed PCF command with the 2018 update--however the freq is correct)


TAC 24 and 25 were the input/output for CDF Command 5. Command 5 was removed from the load with the 2018 updated and Command 12 was added. Command 5 frequencies are now used for AVL. Thus, T24 and T25 had to be replaced, and they are replaced with the C12 input/output frequencies. This all happened with the 2018 update. 2019 changed Tac 33 due to an typo.

It’s not going to be as accurate as it’s a city-level not County level load. The XMY load on another thread is more accurate. Most of the time, it's a single engineer or captain updating the radio plan while he's balancing twelve other things at the same time. Things will be overlooked.

That does explain a lot! I'll have to check out the XMY load you mentioned. Thank you, KK6ZTE!
 

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Most of the time, it's a single engineer or captain updating the radio plan while he's balancing twelve other things at the same time. Things will be overlooked.

This is a very accurate description of the inaccuracy. ;) These excel spreadsheets are typically hand-done to help design a department load, and accuracy is more in line with channel name and number vs what the actual freq is. These are also used as printouts/guides to protect the radio from being ejected out the engine, or a severe beatdown/wire-yanking by the operator for not being able to find where Tac 1 is in their 500zone 23,200channel radio.

For the scanner listener, the actual freqs/tones on these sheets could be a few years old just as place holders so beware. But they are gold to interpret when the radio operator says go to channel 4, or when they call a channel name by some odd abbreviation, they're referencing the display on their radio, which might not be what you or I would call that channel in the scanner world.
 

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Reviewing the 2019 MACS Radio Communications Guidelines 441-1. As mentioned, there is no CDF CMD 5 and there is the addition of CDF T33. MACS 441-1 doesn't identify "Group 3" specifically, but I think you may find it pretty close to being "Group 3" as you're going to get.
 

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Who added command 5? This is why people shouldn't be submitting off of out of date info.

djpaulino, you're not missing much. Everything on there is available on the DB more accurately.
 
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