Renfrew County DSDplus Help

[Chester_Field]

Greetings!

Well, I've been away from listening for more than a decade. I find things have changed considerably and I'm on a big learning curve to catch up.

I have an SDR Play RSPdx up and running and I have also managed to set up (I think) DSD+ with it. Complete with the audio patch cables and all. My inputs and outputs are correct for DSD. (I think)

So, I've tuned to 153.425 and there is a continuous stream of data. DSD appears to be decoding it. I see a stream of data constantly streaming by in the window. But I have yet to hear any voice?

Now I just got this up and running and I can imagine there isn't much traffic at this time of night.
So I'm looking for someone who know this system and can maybe give me some pointer to ensure I got this cooking right.
I've attached a screen shot.... the DSD data window just keeps scrolling with what appears to be decoded data.

Do I have this right? Or are there other frequencies involved? I am unsure of how this system works.


Thanks and Cheers!

 

[mciupa]

Looks like you are on one frequency from Site 6 of BearCom Canada - Renfrew/Ottawa Trunking System, Multiple Locations, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

Site	Name	County
001 (1)	Foymount	Renfrew	01 159.090a	02 160.080a	03 167.400
002 (2)	Bissett Creek	Renfrew	01 162.340c	02 162.855
003 (3)	Renfrew	Renfrew	01 163.755c	02 167.835
004 (4)	Chalk River	Renfrew	01 163.440c	02 164.880
005 (5)	Pembroke	Renfrew	01 171.255a	02 164.475a
006 (6)	Barry's Bay/Wilno	Renfrew	01 152.345a	02 153.425a
008 (8)	Ottawa City Centre - Bronson	Ottawa	01 164.460c

Perhaps the other listed channel will have the voice traffic you are seeking.

 

[Chester_Field]

Looks like you are on one frequency from Site 6 of BearCom Canada - Renfrew/Ottawa Trunking System, Multiple Locations, Ontario - Scanner Frequencies

Site	Name	County
001 (1)	Foymount	Renfrew	01 159.090a	02 160.080a	03 167.400
002 (2)	Bissett Creek	Renfrew	01 162.340c	02 162.855
003 (3)	Renfrew	Renfrew	01 163.755c	02 167.835
004 (4)	Chalk River	Renfrew	01 163.440c	02 164.880
005 (5)	Pembroke	Renfrew	01 171.255a	02 164.475a
006 (6)	Barry's Bay/Wilno	Renfrew	01 152.345a	02 153.425a
008 (8)	Ottawa City Centre - Bronson	Ottawa	01 164.460c

Perhaps the other listed channel will have the voice traffic you are seeking.

Thanks greatly for the reply. Very much appreciated.

I guess what I am tuned into is a control channel?

And if I program into memory and scan these other Channels I may hear voice? Is that correct?

I am trying to understand how this system works.

Does it seem to you DSDplus is operating correctly?

I guess the real question is if i leave it on 152.345 Should i hear something at some point? or is there more set up to do?

Cheers

 

[Gymbag]

Oh Round Lake Centre, how I miss visiting that beautiful area.

 

[slicerwizard]

Does it seem to you DSDplus is operating correctly?

Hard to say. The DSD+ 1.101 docs indicate that it understands DMR Connect Plus systems, but it's not displaying any control channel message details. Or maybe you're not running 1.101? You really haven't shown us much or told us much.

I guess the real question is if i leave it on 152.345 Should i hear something at some point? or is there more set up to do?

You'd be better off scanning both known site frequencies, but I guess a scan is going to get stuck on the control channel and not move on. I'd try sitting on one channel for a while, then flipping to the other; it's the only way you'll see where voice traffic is showing up.

Or... you can probably get SDRuno to demodulate both site channels and send the raw audio to two separate instances of DSD+. Then if either channel carries voice, you would hear it.

 

[IdleMonitor]

As far as I know there are no other frequencies for this system at this time. That I know of anyways. I'm pretty sure that the Barrys Bay location does alternate between both frequencies for control channel, last time I checked (which has been a while). Either way, as stated earlier, this is the system that Renfrew County public works and a few townships as well as a few others use. It's actually quite busy of a system between all the confirmed listed users.

If I were to politely interject on the topic here, only cause you're the only person I know in the general vicinity. A system that is just beyond my listening capability and has thus far eluded me, is the NXDN system in Killaoe, Hagarty and Richards Twp. It does say it's licensed to the fire dept.

Killaloe - TAFL Search Results
162.810
163.860 RAN 33

Round Lake Centre - TAFL Search Results
162.765
163.125

 

[Chester_Field]

Hard to say. The DSD+ 1.101 docs indicate that it understands DMR Connect Plus systems, but it's not displaying any control channel message details. Or maybe you're not running 1.101? You really haven't shown us much or told us much.


You'd be better off scanning both known site frequencies, but I guess a scan is going to get stuck on the control channel and not move on. I'd try sitting on one channel for a while, then flipping to the other; it's the only way you'll see where voice traffic is showing up.

Or... you can probably get SDRuno to demodulate both site channels and send the raw audio to two separate instances of DSD+. Then if either channel carries voice, you would hear it.

Thanks for the reply

- Yes im am using the latest copy of DSDplus. Yes its 1.101
- Ok by luck I heard a voice. So now I know DSD is set up and working correctly.
- So now the question is, how does one successfully scan this system? I dont think SDRuno can do it. Any recommendations?

As far as I know there are no other frequencies for this system at this time. That I know of anyways. I'm pretty sure that the Barrys Bay location does alternate between both frequencies for control channel, last time I checked (which has been a while). Either way, as stated earlier, this is the system that Renfrew County public works and a few townships as well as a few others use. It's actually quite busy of a system between all the confirmed listed users.

If I were to politely interject on the topic here, only cause you're the only person I know in the general vicinity. A system that is just beyond my listening capability and has thus far eluded me, is the NXDN system in Killaoe, Hagarty and Richards Twp. It does say it's licensed to the fire dept.

Killaloe - TAFL Search Results
162.810
163.860 RAN 33

Round Lake Centre - TAFL Search Results
162.765
163.125

Ok! Great response!

So as I mentioned to the other gent, I did hear a voice on the Barry's Bay tower. What do I need to scan this system?

As for the FD out here, are they digital as well?

Forgive my lack of knowledge on this, I've been out of the radio game for more than a decade and I am trying to catch up. Any advice or assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers and Thanks.

 

[IdleMonitor]

You're on the right track. It's been over a year since I used my SDR so I can't fully recall how I was able to monitor these types of systems. I'm sure someone else here will be able to help you with that. I don't believe it's too difficult to get going.

The fire department out your way will either page out and be on there own channel of 154.130 for paging, training and on scene ops. or this other NXDN digital system.

You should be able to monitor that also in the same fashion as the other one your already monitoring.

What are you using for an antenna?

Most of everything you might want to listen to for Renfrew County is all listed in the database as well. Renfrew County, Ontario (ON) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

Welcome back to the hobby.

I'm out Renfrew way

Ok! Great response!

So as i mentioned to the other gent, I did hear a voice on the Barry's Bay tower. What do I need to scan this system?

As for the FD out here, are they digital as well?

Forgive my lack of knowledge on this, Ive been out of the radio game for more than a decade and I am trying to catch up. Any advice or assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers and Thanks.

 

[Chester_Field]

You're on the right track. It's been over a year since I used my SDR so I can't fully recall how I was able to monitor these types of systems. I'm sure someone else here will be able to help you with that. I don't believe it's too difficult to get going.

The fire department out your way will either page out and be on there own channel of 154.130 for paging, training and on scene ops. or this other NXDN digital system.

You should be able to monitor that also in the same fashion as the other one your already monitoring.

What are you using for an antenna?

Most of everything you might want to listen to for Renfrew County is all listed in the database as well. Renfrew County, Ontario (ON) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

Welcome back to the hobby.

I'm out Renfrew way

The KRH fire system seems to be full NXDN now. I hear lots of data on the freqs you provided, but DSDplus doesnt seem to touch them. What are you using now to monitor the Renfrew System?

I have wire cut to length for the low bands and a discone for now.

I found the Renfrew list, seems most things have gone digital now. So, gotta get this figured out.


Cheers

 

[IdleMonitor]

I'm using a 436HP at my base with a Diamond D130J Discone antenna up almost 30 ft. While I generally have exceptional reception in some cases, unfortunately this NXDN system is on my fringe so therefore I can't get the info required to program it properly.

What type of data is it spitting out to you?

The KRH fire system seems to be full NXDN now. I hear lots of data on the freqs you provided, but DSDplus doesnt seem to touch them. What are you using now to monitor the Renfrew System?

I have wire cut to length for the low bands and a discone for now.

I found the Renfrew list, seems most things have gone digital now. So, gotta get this figured out.


Cheers

 

[Chester_Field]

I'm using a 436HP at my base with a Diamond D130 Discone antenna up almost 30 ft. While I generally have exceptional reception in some cases, unfortunately this NXDN system is on my fringe so therefore I can't get the info required to program it properly.

What type of data is it spitting out to you?

Now that I know the NXDN system is in use, it's now one of my targets - Thank you.
So, when I point DDS at NXDN or the OPP APCO 25, it doesn't seem to recognize it at all. Will DSDplus decode these streams?

Cheers - Good to meet another local.

 

[IdleMonitor]

I will let the others chime in from here then in order to get you using the software properly and BearCom Canada - Renfrew/Ottawa Trunking System. All the proper frequency info is correct in the database for this system as well as the talkgroups.

It's also nice to see others up here in the Ottawa Valley listening to the frequencies in rural areas.

So, when I point DDS at NXDN or the OPP APCO 25, it doesn't seem to recognize it at all. Will DSDplus decode these streams?

Cheers - Good to meet another local.

 

[Chester_Field]

I will let the others chime in from here then in order to get you using the software properly and BearCom Canada - Renfrew/Ottawa Trunking System. All the proper frequency info is correct in the database for this system as well as the talkgroups.

It's also nice to see others up here in the Ottawa Valley listening to the frequencies in rural areas.

Thanks

I'm almost 60 year old and I've been doing this radio thing since the 1970's. SWL'ing, Scanning and 'Im also a licensed Amateur.

So totally new to this digital stuff. Any help I get will be muchly appreciated

Cheers

 

[Chester_Field]

As far as I know there are no other frequencies for this system at this time. That I know of anyways. I'm pretty sure that the Barrys Bay location does alternate between both frequencies for control channel, last time I checked (which has been a while). Either way, as stated earlier, this is the system that Renfrew County public works and a few townships as well as a few others use. It's actually quite busy of a system between all the confirmed listed users.

If I were to politely interject on the topic here, only cause you're the only person I know in the general vicinity. A system that is just beyond my listening capability and has thus far eluded me, is the NXDN system in Killaoe, Hagarty and Richards Twp. It does say it's licensed to the fire dept.

Killaloe - TAFL Search Results
162.810
163.860 RAN 33

Round Lake Centre - TAFL Search Results
162.765
163.125

Just an update in the KHR Freqs you provided. I have DSD decoding them. Fire and Works are on these channels. Currently listening to snow plowing operations.

 

[IdleMonitor]

That's great to hear. What kind of data are you able to provide? SysID? RAN? Talkgroup IDs?

Just an update in the KHR Freqs you provided. I have DSD decoding them. Fire and Works are on these channels. Currently listening to snow plowing operations.

 

[Chester_Field]

That's great to hear. What kind of data are you able to provide? SysID? RAN? Talkgroup IDs?

Lol I am ecstatic just to get voice! But I think DSD is logging? Is there a log file name? See the attached image. It suggests its saving it somewhere.

 

[Chester_Field]

; DSD+ 1.101; radio records
;
; you can edit this file while DSD+ is running
;
; line format: protocol, networkID, group, radio, priority, override, hits, timestamp, "radio alias"


;;



NEXEDGE, 0, 0, 5013, 50, Normal, 2, 2021/02/27 16:44, *"TRUCK 13"
NEXEDGE, 0, 0, 5014, 50, Normal, 15, 2021/02/27 16:30, *"PLOW 14"
NEXEDGE, 0, 0, 5018, 50, Normal, 16, 2021/02/27 16:30, *"PLOW 18"
NEXEDGE, 0, 0, 10019, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 16:05, *"....OR"


NEXEDGE, 0, 48640, 5008, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 16:08, *"PLOW..."


;;



Con+, 201, 32010, 20416, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 14:37, ""
Con+, 201, 32010, 20419, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
Con+, 201, 32010, 20423, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""


Con+, 201, 32020, 20515, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 14:20, ""
Con+, 201, 32020, 20521, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 14:20, ""


Con+, 201, 32120, 21305, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 10:31, ""


Con+, 201, 32140, 21406, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 12:31, ""
Con+, 201, 32140, 21421, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 13:21, ""
Con+, 201, 32140, 21423, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 14:39, ""
Con+, 201, 32140, 21424, 50, Normal, 3, 2021/02/27 12:32, ""
Con+, 201, 32140, 21425, 50, Normal, 7, 2021/02/27 14:41, ""

; 16 records; 5 aliases

; DSD+ 1.101; group records
;
; you can edit this file while DSD+ is running
;
; line format: protocol, networkID, group, priority, override, hits, timestamp, "group alias"

;

Con+, 201, 32010, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 14:37, ""
Con+, 201, 32020, 50, Normal, 2, 2021/02/27 14:20, ""
Con+, 201, 32120, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 10:31, ""
Con+, 201, 32140, 50, Normal, 13, 2021/02/27 14:41, ""

; 4 records; 0 aliases

 

[PriorMike]

As far as I know there are no other frequencies for this system at this time. That I know of anyways. I'm pretty sure that the Barrys Bay location does alternate between both frequencies for control channel, last time I checked (which has been a while). Either way, as stated earlier, this is the system that Renfrew County public works and a few townships as well as a few others use. It's actually quite busy of a system between all the confirmed listed users.

If I were to politely interject on the topic here, only cause you're the only person I know in the general vicinity. A system that is just beyond my listening capability and has thus far eluded me, is the NXDN system in Killaoe, Hagarty and Richards Twp. It does say it's licensed to the fire dept.

Killaloe - TAFL Search Results
162.810
163.860 RAN 33

Round Lake Centre - TAFL Search Results
162.765
163.125

Interesting. Probably got tired of waiting for the county to upgrade the fire radio system and went ahead on their own. Good on them.

 

[IdleMonitor]

That's good to see this is all working out for you finally.

This is showing you the radio IDs. What's the talkgroup IDs? and RANs for each site? SysID? A bit more info and we can almost create this system for the database here.

With NXDN it helps that they broadcast the radio ID info, it can help you identify the talkgroups better.

; DSD+ 1.101; radio records
;
; you can edit this file while DSD+ is running
;
; line format: protocol, networkID, group, radio, priority, override, hits, timestamp, "radio alias"


;;



NEXEDGE, 0, 0, 5013, 50, Normal, 2, 2021/02/27 16:44, *"TRUCK 13"
NEXEDGE, 0, 0, 5014, 50, Normal, 15, 2021/02/27 16:30, *"PLOW 14"
NEXEDGE, 0, 0, 5018, 50, Normal, 16, 2021/02/27 16:30, *"PLOW 18"
NEXEDGE, 0, 0, 10019, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 16:05, *"....OR"


NEXEDGE, 0, 48640, 5008, 50, Normal, 1, 2021/02/27 16:08, *"PLOW..."

I'm just not sure if it's a NXDN, trunked, conventional, or Conventional Networked type system. But by the looks of it, at the very least, public works is on it. Perhaps radio IDs also will help the ID of the fire dept. talkgroups also.

Good job on this btw.

 

[Chester_Field]

That's good to see this is all working out for you finally.

This is showing you the radio IDs. What's the talkgroup IDs? and RANs for each site? SysID? A bit more info and we can almost create this system for the database here.

With NXDN it helps that they broadcast the radio ID info, it can help you identify the talkgroups better.

What you see in the logs above is all I got. If you tell me how to get the info you wish I would be happy to retrieve it for you.


Cheers