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MASTR II VHF mobiles

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I was at a swap fest this past weekend and some guy had 3x 110W VHF GE Mastr ii's. He was about to throw them away, so I had to step in and make sure that didn't happen. He also gave me 3 empty GE cabinets with doors. I know there are several on the air as repeaters throughout the US. With them being so old is it worth the time to convert them? Or should I just take all 3 PA's and use them some how....Interested to see what some of yall have done with yours over the years?
 

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There actually are some master II repeaters still in service, mostly in the ham arena.
The mobiles are certainly a worthy radio. Combining 2 PAs you could have a powerhouse like 150 watt continuous duty. The receivers have great sensitivity, image rejection, and IP3 levels. You got a bargain.
I know I sure could use a cabinet, they are near unobtanium today.
Check out repeaterbuilder website, that can give you ideas.
 

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The cabinets are worth more than the Mastr II's IMHO. Certainly sounds like the price was right. Mastr II's are very robust machines, and great performing don't get me wrong. Obtaining temp compensated Xtals are now a thing of the past and with synthesized gear so cheap now, well it's kinda a no brainer. My last set of Xtals to be re-rocked and compensated cost me 300 bucks before they went out of business... and that was just for a set of ICOM's. For a little bit more you can step up to a older Mastr III and still have a great rig.
 

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Your challenge is getting crystals and ICOMS as 12db already mentioned.

You can make this happen with a Prog Rock with some Rube Goldberg engineering. Better to use what you have as a PA and incorporate newer technology.

 

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There actually are some master II repeaters still in service, mostly in the ham arena.
The mobiles are certainly a worthy radio. Combining 2 PAs you could have a powerhouse like 150 watt continuous duty. The receivers have great sensitivity, image rejection, and IP3 levels. You got a bargain.
I know I sure could use a cabinet, they are near unobtanium today.
Check out repeaterbuilder website, that can give you ideas.

Mostly but not only in amateur service. A mine I worked at had an 800 MHz MASTR II in service as recently as last year. It may still be in use.
 

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The cabinets are worth more than the Mastr II's IMHO. Certainly sounds like the price was right. Mastr II's are very robust machines, and great performing don't get me wrong. Obtaining temp compensated Xtals are now a thing of the past and with synthesized gear so cheap now, well it's kinda a no brainer. My last set of Xtals to be re-rocked and compensated cost me 300 bucks before they went out of business... and that was just for a set of ICOM's. For a little bit more you can step up to a older Mastr III and still have a great rig.
I have a Mastr iii vhf repeater on the air right now
 

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Your challenge is getting crystals and ICOMS as 12db already mentioned.

You can make this happen with a Prog Rock with some Rube Goldberg engineering. Better to use what you have as a PA and incorporate newer technology.

That’s is absolutely brilliant! Thanks for showing me that!!! That is a game changer for sure! I can just program that too whatever Crystal frequency I need for these radios instead of having to buy each of them at $100 a pop. Thanks again that’s exactly what I was looking for!
 

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I was at a swap fest this past weekend and some guy had 3x 110W VHF GE Mastr ii's. He was about to throw them away, so I had to step in and make sure that didn't happen. He also gave me 3 empty GE cabinets with doors. I know there are several on the air as repeaters throughout the US. With them being so old is it worth the time to convert them? Or should I just take all 3 PA's and use them some how....Interested to see what some of yall have done with yours over the years?

Totally worth the time. The Mastr II makes a fantastic repeater. I've had one running on VHF for the better part of 20 years and still going strong. Solid and reliable.

The wonderful thing about them is that they're relatively easy to make into repeaters, and being mostly discrete components relatively easy to work on.

I'm working right now with a group that has a low-band Mastr II station they want turned into a 6m repeater; apparently I'm the only one in the area any more with any Mastr II knowledge...
 
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Totally worth the time. The Mastr II makes a fantastic repeater. I've had one running on VHF for the better part of 20 years and still going strong. Solid and reliable.

The wonderful thing about them is that they're relatively easy to make into repeaters, and being mostly discrete components relatively easy to work on.

I'm working right now with a group that has a low-band Mastr II station they want turned into a 6m repeater; apparently I'm the only one in the area any more with any Mastr II knowledge...

Sometimes it sucks being the SME.
 

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Wasn't it the Mastr II's that were modular in that you could remove one side and replace it with another band? I think a local was making split site repeaters by replacing the receiver in one and the transmitter in the other with a UHF transmitter and receiver.
 

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I'm working right now with a group that has a low-band Mastr II station they want turned into a 6m repeater; apparently I'm the only one in the area any more with any Mastr II knowledge...
Yeah, if it involves more than plugging in a programming cable and getting the software to work the new generation doesn't have a clue.
Even with all the advances you still can't beat a properly tuned helical front end. Very sharp, not like the funnels of today's machines.

A local ham repeater that was a Mastr II station got replaced on a hill with about 10 towers and RF galore. High power radio stations, TV, paging, etc. They replaced it with a Kenwood NXDN repeater. Needless to say the thing instantly took a dump, couldn't handle it. Plugged the Mastr II back in and it's been running ever since.
 

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Wasn't it the Mastr II's that were modular in that you could remove one side and replace it with another band? I think a local was making split site repeaters by replacing the receiver in one and the transmitter in the other with a UHF transmitter and receiver.

Yes, one of the groups I was with up in Columbus did that. We used brown-handle UHF Mastr IIs and swapped a VHF receiver and preselector in place of the UHF receiver. They made fantastic remote receivers for the repeater.

Some people opined that using so much power on the UHF links to the repeater would not work and that one should always use minimum power on those links, but I always found the opposite. We turned the PAs down to about 50 watts, but using that much power ensured that the signal into the voter receiver was solid copy, and that any noise the voter heard was in fact on the signal received at the remote site, not noise on the link itself.

Yeah, if it involves more than plugging in a programming cable and getting the software to work the new generation doesn't have a clue.
Even with all the advances you still can't beat a properly tuned helical front end. Very sharp, not like the funnels of today's machines.

Programmable is fine if it's a mobile or desktop radio with a need for a bunch of channels, but a repeater is just going to sit there at the site on one frequency; I'd much rather have a solid, reliable crystal-controlled station with a quality PA and excellent preselector, especially at a remote site with a bunch of co-located transmitters amping up the noise floor.

A local ham repeater that was a Mastr II station got replaced on a hill with about 10 towers and RF galore. High power radio stations, TV, paging, etc. They replaced it with a Kenwood NXDN repeater. Needless to say the thing instantly took a dump, couldn't handle it. Plugged the Mastr II back in and it's been running ever since.

A bunch of groups around here did that when Yaesu was dumping their Fusion repeaters on the market for $500 each; several of them replaced perfectly good Mastr II (or Micor) repeaters which were running perfectly (and had been for years) with those pieces of garbage. They found out pretty quickly that you can't run a Fusion repeater at full power continuous duty very long without it dying. They all ended up spending a fortune on 100 watt PA decks (and preselectors in some cases) to get even close to what they had with the Mastr II and Micor stuff (which they had unfortunately already got rid of). Dopes.
 
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I would never convert Master II mobiles for repeater use because there are countless real Master II continuous duty repeaters out there for sale cheap these days. I helped build up a fleet of Master II GMRS repeaters in the 80s and 90s on some of the busiest and most congested mountain top repeater sites in So Cal like Mt Lukens, Santiago Peak, Sierra Peak and Palos Verdes. Our repeaters were purchased used after a long life of public service and they never failed.

I was also the maintenance/repair guy for a commercial 31 repeater fleet consisting mostly of Master IIs and some MSF5000s and I only know of one of each type in the system that ever needed repair of any kind. One of the UHF Master IIs at a very busy site was originally installed with a 3 can duplexer and it just worked great. Any lesser quality repeaters at the same site needed a lot of extra preselection in front of the receiver or they had to be on a master receive antenna with a very expensive front end to survive.
 

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I would never convert Master II mobiles for repeater use because there are countless real Master II continuous duty repeaters out there for sale cheap these days.

I agree, but I'm talking about 20+ years ago. Even so, it's easier to get hold of a mobile than a station; stations cost a fortune to ship, while you can walk away with two mobiles (one in each hand) for a few bucks at a hamfest. Fortunately I have a couple of stations squirreled away just in case.

It's a moot point, really; as noted by someone earlier, all the appliance operators out there these days want programmable plug-and-play. Not too many people want to take the time these days to do it right.
 
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