450.7125 pl 151.4

[Analogrules]

I know the RR DB lists this as WWOR, however its not the case. I am currently hearing camera crews working the parade on this frequency, but does not seem to be matching CBS or NBC. The FCC db doesn't even show an active license on this frequency. Any ideas which network's camera crews now use this frequency?

 

[pro106import]

Maybe a radio station? I am hearing it here in Ct. but no audio right now, just an open carrier at 151.4 PL. About an S-4

 

[GTR8000]

450.7125 is licensed to FOX under KPK350

ULS License - Broadcast Auxiliary Remote Pickup License - KPK350 - FOX TELEVISION STATIONS, LLC

 

[Analogrules]

Oh ok. They were definitely talking about parade floats. Perhaps Fox was also showing the parade in certain areas. So this frequency is no longer licensed for WWOR?

 

[KC2zZe]

Partly correct. It isn't licensed to WWOR, but it is licensed for WWOR.

All of WWOR's licenses (KOS404, KPK350, and KPE787) are in the name of Fox Television Stations, the parent company of the My9 channel. The tip off is the "principal community" is listed as Secaucus on each of those licenses, the home base of My9.. Therefore, I'm inclined to think it was WWOR radio traffic you were monitoring.

Great catch on the CTCSS tone; a break from their usual 156.7.

 

[Analogrules]

Thanks for the clarification. I attempted to submit the update to the DB, but so far the admins are rejecting it. They need to understand that WWOR doesn't even have news anymore and are now owned by FOX. Just like the FCC license for this frequency as you pointed out, is now assigned solely to FOX. If they dont want to update the DB, at least I keep my own notes.

 

[GTR8000]

Thanks for the clarification. I attempted to submit the update to the DB, but so far the admins are rejecting it. They need to understand that WWOR doesn't even have news anymore and are now owned by FOX. Just like the FCC license for this frequency as you pointed out, is now assigned solely to FOX. If they dont want to update the DB, at least I keep my own notes.

Excuse me, but that is not an accurate depiction of what is going on with your submission. I am the admin handling it, and I'm also the one who pointed out in this very thread that KPK350 is licensed to Fox after you suggested that "The FCC db doesn't even show an active license on this frequency", which of course is inaccurate.

I merely asked what now makes you so certain that what you heard was in fact "Fox News camera crews" as you submitted, when your posts in this thread suggest that you're not quite sure who you were hearing. It seems like perhaps you're assuming that because the frequency is licensed to Fox, it must then be Fox News crews you were hearing.

Your submission has not yet been rejected, it has been questioned, which is normal procedure when there is any doubt as to the accuracy of submitted information. It very well could be Fox crews using that frequency, but your posts are less than convincing that you are 100% certain of that.

I'm more than happy to change the listing from WWOR to FOX once we confirm that, but I won't change it based on speculation.

 

[Analogrules]

Understood. You are correct that I did not stand right next to the Fox camera crews covering parade footage and close-called them on the scanner. The active Fox FCC license for this frequency only showed up when I did a "nationwide search" on the FCC DB. I initially only conducted a search for "New York" licenses, which is why I initially came up with nothing.

Based on the facts that "WWOR" does not even provide television news anymore, nor shows up in the FCC DB, AND that Fox now OWNS them AND Fox does have TV news, AND licensed to that frequency, is enough evidence to safely assume it was indeed Fox camera crews. The ONLY thing I am very uncertain on at this point is whether it was local Fox 5 or nationwide Fox network crews. You may do as you wish obviously when/if updating the DB. I just feel there is enough evidence now that it is now being used by Fox camera crews, especially since "WWOR" has no need for camera crews now.

 

[kevinparrish]

Greetings,

I can confirm the following information regarding the transmissions you monitored on 450.7125 MHz during the 2018 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade remote-broadcast on NBC.

Within FCC Part-74 "Remote-Broadcast Pickup Service" a provision exists which permits licensed broadcast stations the ability to operate and use any frequencies within this service on a "temporary basis" without having a license for a specific given RPU frequency.

This is a common practice for large scale type remote-broadcast operations including, sports events, political conventions, inaugurations, breaking news, etc. Spectrum Management is handled locally around the United States by various chapters of the Society Of Broadcast Engineers, SBE.

During this years parade, I needed to setup some additional citywide radio systems in order to accomodate Al Roker who was broadcasting live from a motorcycle "sidecar" that was traveling along the entire parade route. All NBC coordinated NY/NJ frequencies were consumed by other parade functions so it was appropriate "with prior coordination" for NBC to operate on frequencies coordinated and licensed to WWOR / FOX.

This was a SPECIAL EVENT ONLY and no changes to the RR "Media"database is necessary.

During the 2018 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade operations NBC used the following WWOR / FOX frequencies:

450.4875 MHz / Al Roker "Citywide IFB" PRIMARY
455.4875 MHz / Al Roker "Citywide IFB" BACKUP
450.7125 MHz / Citywide "CAMERA PL"

Note:
Thanks to the gentleman in Milford, CT for a very nice compliment and signal report!
The base stations were all located at Rockefeller Center with a transmitter power output of 75-watts.

Kevin Parrish
Senior RF Engineer
NBC
Field & Satellite Operations
NYC

 

[GTR8000]

Kevin, thank you for that very detailed official explanation of the day's events. Note that I did not make any changes to the database, as I had a strong feeling this wasn't a permanent assignment.

N2ZGE: This is precisely why we do not change things in the database on a whim, or based on speculation. Leaving aside the fact that it was a temporary assignment, you didn't even get the network that was using the frequency correct in your submission. This ought to be a lesson going forward that sometimes things are not what they seem, and often times further research is required.

 

[kevinparrish]

The task of intellegence is never complete!

 

[nd5y]

Spectrum Management is handled locally around the United States by various chapters of the Society Of Broadcast Engineers, SBE.

The Dallas chapter of SBE used to have an online frequency coordination database.

 

[pro106import]

Greetings,

I can confirm the following information regarding the transmissions you monitored on 450.7125 MHz during the 2018 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade remote-broadcast on NBC.

Within FCC Part-74 "Remote-Broadcast Pickup Service" a provision exists which permits licensed broadcast stations the ability to operate and use any frequencies within this service on a "temporary basis" without having a license for a specific given RPU frequency.

This is a common practice for large scale type remote-broadcast operations including, sports events, political conventions, inaugurations, breaking news, etc. Spectrum Management is handled locally around the United States by various chapters of the Society Of Broadcast Engineers, SBE.

During this years parade, I needed to setup some additional citywide radio systems in order to accomodate Al Roker who was broadcasting live from a motorcycle "sidecar" that was traveling along the entire parade route. All NBC coordinated NY/NJ frequencies were consumed by other parade functions so it was appropriate "with prior coordination" for NBC to operate on frequencies coordinated and licensed to WWOR / FOX.

This was a SPECIAL EVENT ONLY and no changes to the RR "Media"database is necessary.

During the 2018 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade operations NBC used the following WWOR / FOX frequencies:

450.4875 MHz / Al Roker "Citywide IFB" PRIMARY
455.4875 MHz / Al Roker "Citywide IFB" BACKUP
450.7125 MHz / Citywide "CAMERA PL"

Note:
Thanks to the gentleman in Milford, CT for a very nice compliment and signal report!
The base stations were all located at Rockefeller Center with a transmitter power output of 75-watts.

Kevin Parrish
Senior RF Engineer
NBC
Field & Satellite Operations
NYC

Glad to help Kevin. Luckily we have the search option on the scanners. This is a perfect situation where it can be very handy! Just to add to my signal report with more detail, I was using an 8-element UHF Yagi cut for the T-band, up 15 feet off the ground and I am 129 feet above sea level about 600 feet from Long Island Sound. Are you related to a Chris Parrish?
Bob