18bravo
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What’s are some of the differences between the two radios?
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8000XE vs 8000HXE
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ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
A quick Google search tells me that the H is the version for Hazardous Locations. It's the Division I and II intrinsically safe version.
You could have googled that for yourself.....
You could have googled that for yourself.....
One is a luxury transceiver the other is not.
only if you have possession AND custody
One comes with a fancy rolex and one gets the timex
18bravo
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Just as I suspected
brndnstffrd
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Came here to say this. Glad to see I wasn't the only one 😂
Check 6!
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
Out of curiosity, what is the price differential between the two versions? How much are you paying for hazloc certification?
And are there any actual physical differences between the two models?
A few years ago (Ok...some of you might say MANY years ago...) I examined two identical Sabers, but one was a green dot, full IS (Intrinsically Safe) version, the other, standard. Other than the added decals I found NO other differences, internally or externally.
Now, the battery...I understand that an IS battery has a current limiting feature that does make it different than a standard NiCd battery. (at the time, this was pre-Lithium days)
If there were any such differences in the IS radio, then they may have been lost in a repair done before I got my hands on the radio. But I'd have no way of knowing its prior service history.
I suspected at the time, and still do, that the radios were all built to identical standards and would be safe to use in the same hazardous locations that the IS version is certified for. And that the IS certification basically was nothing more or less than purchasing an insurance policy, while the radio itself was completely unchanged.
I have no information that contradicts my supposition.
And are there any actual physical differences between the two models?
A few years ago (Ok...some of you might say MANY years ago...) I examined two identical Sabers, but one was a green dot, full IS (Intrinsically Safe) version, the other, standard. Other than the added decals I found NO other differences, internally or externally.
Now, the battery...I understand that an IS battery has a current limiting feature that does make it different than a standard NiCd battery. (at the time, this was pre-Lithium days)
If there were any such differences in the IS radio, then they may have been lost in a repair done before I got my hands on the radio. But I'd have no way of knowing its prior service history.
I suspected at the time, and still do, that the radios were all built to identical standards and would be safe to use in the same hazardous locations that the IS version is certified for. And that the IS certification basically was nothing more or less than purchasing an insurance policy, while the radio itself was completely unchanged.
I have no information that contradicts my supposition.
I am also curious if they dropped the TXPO similar to the blue Canadian XPR radios.
I can tell you from working at a manufacturer, often the dot merely was a sticker. That said, they did go through a different chain of custody and documentation procedure to maintain the IS rating. In truth, all of the radios were designed to the same standard and thus technically were IS from the factory. The issue became is they would lose their IS rating if opened up and that repair didn't follow the proper procedures to maintain IS documentation. It simply is not cost effective to design and produce two different devices, one IS and one non. Most of the green dot radios in the used market are no longer IS certified as there is a more than likely chance they have been repaired and the required procedures/documentation was not followed.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
Data sheets show the same power output ranges for both versions.
I figured as much, IS certification is basically documentation and following repair procedure standards, and of course, not subsituting non-approved parts.
I figured as much, IS certification is basically documentation and following repair procedure standards, and of course, not subsituting non-approved parts.
There’s a post on communications.support comparing the “H” models vs the standard non-H models. ( same as the XE vs HXE ).
The H models have a revised RF board compared to the standard 8000/XE models ( there’s a picture on communication.support of the 2 boards side by side and there’s definitely a difference ). Also, they are supposed to have better battery life as well. The standard “H” model also has a 3/5 watt speaker vs the standard 1 watt speaker of the regular 8000.
Also - the case is about 3/4 of an inch longer on the H/HXE models vs the standard models.
The H models have a revised RF board compared to the standard 8000/XE models ( there’s a picture on communication.support of the 2 boards side by side and there’s definitely a difference ). Also, they are supposed to have better battery life as well. The standard “H” model also has a 3/5 watt speaker vs the standard 1 watt speaker of the regular 8000.
Also - the case is about 3/4 of an inch longer on the H/HXE models vs the standard models.
"You could have googled that for yourself....."
It's pretty obvious by looking at the regular models vs H models that there is a physical difference in the size of the radios.
ElroyJetson
Getting tired of all the stupidity.
I downloaded the brochures and yes the size difference is hard to miss. I'm wondering why that is even the case. Are there different PC boards inside? I would not have expected that.
The OP here is probably wondering WTF is going on with all the bizarre responses to his simple question and here is my take on that. A typical public service organization looking to purchase an APX8000 series would normally get with his or her Motorola rep, discuss their needs, options and pricing, then purchase what they require for the job.
For the non public service professional or ham/GMRS user its what can they get for a particular budget (usually low) and they would be looking for a great deal on a used radio.
There are some out there, fortunately few, maybe only one, that want the shiniest, most impressive looking, most expensive version and they will pay full price because that gives them bragging rights in their tiny misguided brain. And they buy these types of items in hope other less fortunate people with similar wants and tastes will fall at their feet in a jealous rage, thus increasing the hat size of the high rolling purchaser.
It would be similar to buying a couple of Ferrari's and parading around only to get attention, or posting pictures of your house in a neighborhood that few can afford and pointing out every feature and detail that you can never have, literally rubbing your nose in it. Or possibly displaying their Rolex collection, not to other Rolex collectors but to the general masses who could never hope to afford even one Rolex watch and can only stare in confusion at why the owner posted and bragged about his collection.
I think some on this thread have seen the above take place and and they are simply responding with tongue in cheek, inside joke responses.
So with that I hope the OP finds the specific answers to his question and if he is shopping for an APX8000, I hope he finds exactly what he wants and for a great price. And keep up the great comments!
For the non public service professional or ham/GMRS user its what can they get for a particular budget (usually low) and they would be looking for a great deal on a used radio.
There are some out there, fortunately few, maybe only one, that want the shiniest, most impressive looking, most expensive version and they will pay full price because that gives them bragging rights in their tiny misguided brain. And they buy these types of items in hope other less fortunate people with similar wants and tastes will fall at their feet in a jealous rage, thus increasing the hat size of the high rolling purchaser.
It would be similar to buying a couple of Ferrari's and parading around only to get attention, or posting pictures of your house in a neighborhood that few can afford and pointing out every feature and detail that you can never have, literally rubbing your nose in it. Or possibly displaying their Rolex collection, not to other Rolex collectors but to the general masses who could never hope to afford even one Rolex watch and can only stare in confusion at why the owner posted and bragged about his collection.
I think some on this thread have seen the above take place and and they are simply responding with tongue in cheek, inside joke responses.
So with that I hope the OP finds the specific answers to his question and if he is shopping for an APX8000, I hope he finds exactly what he wants and for a great price. And keep up the great comments!
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I like to go scuba diving now and then after playing tennis with pro's. Which radio is suitable for tennis AND seawater immersion?
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