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$9 a gallon gas?

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That's what they pay in Europe. I guess $4 a gallon isn't so bad after all!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/27/AR2008052702640.html?hpid=topnews

Interesting article detailing what truckers, cabbies and fisherman in Europe are doing to protest the prices. Unlike the US, almost 45% of the price is taxes. Ouch.

How soon before similar protesting happens in earnest here? I'm not talking about truckers parking rigs for the day, I'm talking about blocking ports and refineries - I can see it coming if the price hikes continue.

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Europe!

We're NOT in Europe. We really don't care WHAT they're paying over there!

We in America) just want the big oil companies to charge a FAIR price, but, we that will NEVER happen!

Today, the price of crude dropped from $133.oo to $127.oo a barrel.

When it was going up a dollar a day, gas prices at the pump went CRAZY.

However, now that the crude has dropped back (to where gas at a station was about $2.79 a gallon) we're STILL paying anywhere from $3.99 to $4.19 a gallon here. What doesn't it go DOWN as fast as it goes up? GOUGING by big oil!!!!

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The whole "Europe pays this much for gas" thing is not new. I was stationed in Spain when the price of gas in the states was still well below $2.00 a gallon. Gas prices were about $5.00 a gallon out in town in Rota. I remember people saying, "$2.00 is not that bad, people in Europe are paying $5.00 a gallon. We should feel lucky." Those statements kind of pissed me off, because as SLWilson said, we are not in Europe.

When people compare the U.S. to Europe, they fool themselves into thinking that they are getting a deal on gas. Gas is more expensive in Europe - period. I look back and laugh at the people that thought we (the U.S.) were just "catching up" to what Europe was paying for gas. As everyone can see, the prices didn't even out. They continued to climb in Europe as well.

I also remember people saying that $5.00 a gallon gas in the states would never be a reality... They are the same folks that think that $9.00 a gallon gas is never gonna happen...

I suppose those same people will be happy that we are paying $9.00 a gallon because Europe is paying $13.00 or more...
 
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We're NOT in Europe. We really don't care WHAT they're paying over there!
Well, we should. Oil and other commodities are traded in a global market, therefore prices (and more importantly, demand) all over the world affect that market, not just here at home. When demand drops here at home, the oil speculators point to increasing demand overseas to justify the continued record prices. And they aren't lying about it either.

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Today, the price of crude dropped from $133.oo to $127.oo a barrel.
Actually it did dip to 127 but that attracted more investors and it surged again. It closed at 131.03 which is only $2 lower. Not much of a decrease, so naturally I won't expect to see a huge drop in prices today.

Here's the stark reality of it. T. Boones Pickens nails it with this simple quote: "The world can't produce more than 85 million barrels of oil per day. The world wants 87 million barrels of oil per day." He expects oil to climb to $150 a barrel before this whole thing plays out. If oil prices are causing protests around the globe now, $150 a barrel will lead to full blown riots.

Heh - That'll make for good scanning if nothing else! :twisted:

-AZ

EDIT: Something else to consider is that $131 a barrel is what a barrel of oil will cost in JULY, not what it costs today. The gas price you pay today is based on the price of oil last month. That means prices at the pump will continue to go UP, not down, as a result. Sad but true, gang...
 
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At their prices (sold by the liter), there is little wonder that mass transportation is so cost effective and popular in many european nations. Guess what? It works and it works better than our own. (Well, at least in many).
 

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In Rota, there was very little need for a car. Most used Vespas or walked everywhere. We'd park our car at the gate of the base and walk to the beach or other places of interest in town. The only people that needed a car there were folks that traveled from El Puerto or other towns to Rota to work.
 

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OKAY, In europe there is public transportation that works.

The heavy taxes are to "convince" people to use it.


EDIT: I fueled up my work vehicle(s) the other day... used 17,000 gallons of off road diesel :D
 
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Glenn Beck !

AZScanner said:
Well, we should. Oil and other commodities are traded in a global market, therefore prices (and more importantly, demand) all over the world affect that market, not just here at home....

Here's the stark reality of it. T. Boones Pickens nails it with this simple quote: "The world can't produce more than 85 million barrels of oil per day. The world wants 87 million barrels of oil per day." He expects oil to climb to $150 a barrel before this whole thing plays out. If oil prices are causing protests around the globe now, $150 a barrel will lead to full blown riots.

Heh - That'll make for good scanning if nothing else! :twisted:

-AZ ...
You have been listening to Glenn Beck. He had T. Boones Pickens on his program last week. I listened to and understood what he was saying.

Isn't it sad that it would "seem" that everyone in and out of government that CAN fix things knows how to but refuses to get together and DO it?

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Isn't it sad that it would "seem" that everyone in and out of government that CAN fix things knows how to but refuses to get together and DO it?
I'm not cinvinced that the people who profess to know how to fix things really do, and if they DID, I'm not convinced they would be able to overcome the opposing factors that DON'T want to fix things.

$9/ gallon gas? Oh well... *shrug*
 
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I really get tired of the "well in Europe they pay x amount for fuel" line. There is NO comparison to us and them. Over there they have a better developed transit system so even if you don't have a car, you can get around. Has anyone tried to use the public transit system in some cities over here? If I had to ride the bus everyday here to work, I'd lose my job. The routes are not laid out so one can get from point A to point B efficiently, one time I had to try riding home from work and it took me 2 hours to get home!(it takes 15 mins tops in the car) Except for a few cities, passenger trains are non-existent. Many places using a bike just isn't safe because you have to share the road with lots of cars. People here often have to commute a distance to work and back. Things are different for Americans, yes we could build smaller cars and such but to pay as much for gas as Europe does would put people out of business and work in short order.
 
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OKAY, In europe there is public transportation that works.

The heavy taxes are to "convince" people to use it.


EDIT: I fueled up my work vehicle(s) the other day... used 17,000 gallons of off road diesel :D
I totally agree with you. Are WE now in the process of becoming "convinced"? Besides, trying to get a parking space in most large European cities is chancy at best - usualy impossible. When I lived overseas, I could catch a local bus to the train and into the city in about 30 minutes door to door and damned cheap.
 
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Now you know one of the reasons they have small cars. HIGH TAXES to support socialism!!!!!!! I can remember $50.00 T-bone steaks in Sweden in the mid 1970s. And that was for the steak, a la carte. The veggies, bread, and drink was extra. Makes a trip to Ruth Chris' Steakhouse seem like pocket change.
 

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okay. this is like the 15th "OMG FUEL PRICES ARE SO HIGH I HAD TO DOWNGRADE MY CABLE TV PACKAGE!!!"

All the reasons, remedies, and crankiness has been covered. We have had scare-topics like speculative articles on $200-250/bbl costs to fear of worldwide shortage or hoarding.

Can we get a ban on gas price threads? If you dont like the gas prices, dont stomp on the gas pedal at every stoplight.
 
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Can we get a ban on gas price threads? If you dont like the gas prices, dont stomp on the gas pedal at every stoplight.
Scuse me?

This is the place to talk about off topic items of interest to the RadioReference.com community.
Don't like gas threads? Don't read 'em! How hard is that? I'd personally like a ban(ishment to Uzbekistan) for every gas guzzling Escalalsplosion driving nimrod that sits all by their lonesome in rush hour traffic idling away 3 gallons per mile that helped contribute to this mess! :evil:

But... that's just me.

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Scuse me?



Don't like gas threads? Don't read 'em! How hard is that? I'd personally like a ban(ishment to Uzbekistan) for every gas guzzling Escalalsplosion driving nimrod that sits all by their lonesome in rush hour traffic idling away 3 gallons per mile that helped contribute to this mess! :evil:

But... that's just me.

-AZ
Ok, keep complaining about it then.

I thought it would be nice to get some other discussion going, but aparently gas prices are the only thing exciting, interesting, or worth discussing at the moment..

I'm with ya on the gas guzzlers, but I'm not one to tell you what to drive.
 

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We have done this to ourselves!

I don’t like paying $4 bucks a gallon for gas, but I have to wonder if its not high enough yet. People aren’t driving any less, they’re just cutting back on beer and cigarettes! Congress pulls the big oil CEOs in for a little brow beating so they can get their crooked mugs on TV and make it look like they actually have some power, which they don't. Everybody is pissed at the Saudi’s for not increasing production. Production is not the problem folks, blame the environmentalists. They are the ones who have not allowed a new refinery to be built in this country for over 25 years. It’s demand baby, plain and simple. Too many one occupant vehicles on the roadways.

We all wanted cheap goods and allowed our corporations like WalMart to go to China and other third world cesspools where there are no environmental rules and they could get cheap or slave labor to produce their products at a fraction of the cost. We personally funded the rise in these third world worker's standards of living to a point where they are now competing for the same oil we used to get dirt cheap and take for granted. Most of what our country is going through right now is our own fault, and in many ways we deserve what's coming to us. America has less than five percent of the total world's population yet consumes 25% of all the fossil fuels produced. I live in the largest city in America that doesn't have any form of mass transportation; an absolute disgrace. There has been very little progress and virtually no effort expended on developing alternative fuels or alternative modes of transportation that work. Our solution to everything has been to build more roads. Those roads quickly become congested, and everyone sits in their cars idling away tons of carbon dioxide into the air.

Oh yea, lets grow corn instead of wheat, barley and rye so we can make a miniscule amount of so-called flexfuel. Brilliant idea, now we are paying twice as much for a loaf of bread and milk prices have doubled in the past year. Every spring and fall, the oil companies have an excuse to raise the prices even more as they make the switch back and forth. And how about all the folks who have had to have thousands of dollars of work done on their cars because they got rust in their fuel injected lines due to the switchover?

Plain and simple; America has to end its love affair with the automobile. Stop building roads, grind up the really big cars and build light rail on all the freeways that are now jammed up with single driver autos. Get our national rail system back in full swing and goods out of trucks and back on the rails. Build high speed electric rail lines to move people about the country. Build nuke plants to power them. Let the cry baby airlines who are loosing money anyway go under. I am so sick of hearing about their endless self inflicted safety and personnel problems, and flying is no fun anymore. Greedy CEOs have pissed off their employees so bad that the employees have made flying miserable. The system we have now ain't working, and we are beginning to get our first taste of the real hard times yet to come.

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Incidently, I DO think people are crankier these days. I was listening to the radi- I sometimes pick up the local paper delivery people and everyone(dispatcher and carriers were all snapping at each other on the radio). The local public rides people are sometime real snippy with their drivers over the last several weeks.
 

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Incidently, I DO think people are crankier these days. I was listening to the radi- I sometimes pick up the local paper delivery people and everyone(dispatcher and carriers were all snapping at each other on the radio). The local public rides people are sometime real snippy with their drivers over the last several weeks.
Hah! New England is leaking:cool:


C'mon people, Complain less, pray more.:lol:
 
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Actually, the GADOT announced that their traffic monitoring equipment noticed traffic decrease about 5% from April to May, while public transportation use has gone up by as much as 30% in some counties that have it around Atlanta. So evidently gas in the low $3 range has been enough to cause at least some folks to change their habits. My wife and I started carpooling to work 3-4 days a week before it even got that high. I can't justify spending the extra money just on principle alone, particularly when I drive right by her office on the way to mine.
 
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