Antenna and Dual Band Radio

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I have did some research and looked at several items but want to get others opinion and suggestions;

I have a dual band Yaesu FT-7900. I have used several dual band antenna, but have found I get better reception and distance with a dedicated band antenna. Have tested both as mobile and as base station.

I'm wanting to use two dedicated antennas one for 2m (VHF) and one for 70cm (UHF) with the Yaesu. As such needing suggestions on what would be the best way / best product for obtaining my goal since the dual band radio only has one antenna jack.

Thanks in advance for all suggestions and opinions.
 

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Sonething like this MFJ Enterprises Inc. should work for you, although many folks report that dual band antennas work as well as a diplexer and two single band antennas. I personally use dual band antennas with good results.
 

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You might want to research dual bander antenna reviews on places like eHam. I've had a Diamond dual bander for my 207 on my car for many years, and it works quite well. It has survived ice storms, hurricanes, even the big blizzard we had here in the East last year and just keeps comin' back for more.

73 Mike
 

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Use of separate antennas requires a diplexer often incorrectly called a duplexer. To avoid the hassle you can simply use a good dual band antenna, Diamond may be a bit expensive but that's the price of quality. Since you seem to be disappointed with performance I strongly suggest you check the gain figures before buying another one, the higher the better.

For what it's worth, there is a diplexer in the radio combining the outputs of two transmitters and inputs of two receiver front ends, one for each band. That's why one antenna connector, it was designed to be used with a dual band antenna in the first place.
 

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Warren, I could be wrong about this but I don't think they really use a diplexer in the radio. I believe that it is a dual band transmitter and a dual band receiver, not two separate transmitters and receivers in the same case. They switch in and out whatever tuned circuits are used in each band. But you are right about needing a diplexer if the OP wants to use two single band antennas.

I don't think the OP will find any performance advantage by using two antennas and a diplexer vs a dual band antenna. A properly designed and installed dual band should work as well as a single band antenna.
 

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As far as dual-band antennas are concerned, I highly recommend the Larsen NMO2/70. Built very well and excellent performance.
 

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Jack and all, maybe some rigs switch tuned circuits but I don't know how they do it. The rigs I'm familiar with do it "my way" and many have the option of cross band repeat. Whether they have CBR or not they still use a diplexer and a single antenna connection. Sorry OM but I just don't include things I don't know. (;->)

"I don't think the OP will find any performance advantage by using two antennas and a diplexer vs a dual band antenna. A properly designed and installed dual band should work as well as a single band antenna."
You, I and Yeasu seem to be in agreement on that. (;->)

Somehow a Japanese sneeze comes to mind...... YEASU!!! (hiss, boo)
 

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Diamond Antenna

You might want to research dual bander antenna reviews on places like eHam. I've had a Diamond dual bander for my 207 on my car for many years, and it works quite well. It has survived ice storms, hurricanes, even the big blizzard we had here in the East last year and just keeps comin' back for more.

73 Mike

My SG 7900 NMO works well Dual Band. The only problem I have is the little metal contact bends and doesn't make good contact and I end up removing the antenna and bending it back out. I understand that DIAMOND has redesigned this antenna with a spring loaded pin now. I have been trying to get one from HAM STATION but so far no luck. (By that I mean a new LOAD COIL for the base not a whole new antenna.) I use it with an ICOM 208.
 

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sniff, sniff

Jack and all, maybe some rigs switch tuned circuits but I don't know how they do it. The rigs I'm familiar with do it "my way" and many have the option of cross band repeat. Whether they have CBR or not they still use a diplexer and a single antenna connection. Sorry OM but I just don't include things I don't know. (;->)

"I don't think the OP will find any performance advantage by using two antennas and a diplexer vs a dual band antenna. A properly designed and installed dual band should work as well as a single band antenna."
You, I and Yeasu seem to be in agreement on that. (;->)

Somehow a Japanese sneeze comes to mind...... YEASU!!! (hiss, boo)

I stand corrected. I've never used a dual band rig and I just assumed that they wouldn't be able to transmit or receive on both bands at the same time. Some 1/4 wave lines and diodes would take care of cross-band repeat without the expense of a diplexer. Oh well, you know what they say about one who ass-u-me s.
 

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Use of separate antennas requires a diplexer often incorrectly called a duplexer.

Sorry to propagate a bit of a thread departure here, but you have touched on something I have often asked myself. Just why, and how did it start, do companies who might make a great product insist on calling it by the wrong title?

A duplexer is not a diplexer, as you have correctly noted. The item needed in this case is indeed a diplexer. And yet, if you go to Comet, Diamond, MFJ, Kenwood, etc, etc they all seem to call the device a duplexer.

Because they are listed in catalogs as "duplexers" I find myself telling folks in a similar situation that they need a duplexer, and even as I say it I know I am speaking incorrectly. But it is often easier to just call it a duplexer than to explain that the company I am suggesting is calling it by an incorrect label.

Does anyone have any insight as to how the duplexer/diplexer transmutation made its way into ham equipment usage? In other, yet similar, applications it seems to be more correctly named.

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I have did some research and looked at several items but want to get others opinion and suggestions;

I have a dual band Yaesu FT-7900. I have used several dual band antenna, but have found I get better reception and distance with a dedicated band antenna. Have tested both as mobile and as base station.

I'm wanting to use two dedicated antennas one for 2m (VHF) and one for 70cm (UHF) with the Yaesu. As such needing suggestions on what would be the best way / best product for obtaining my goal since the dual band radio only has one antenna jack.

I might be in the minority here, but I also prefer multiple single band antennas over multiband antennas.

Yes, I know that a properly designed multiband can be very good and convenient, but I just have had more problems with them then equal quality single band antennas. And, while I can see no real reason to support it (assuming the multibander is not a reduced size antenna), I also feel single banders tend to work better.

With that said, I find it hard to justify not using a good quality dual band antenna for 2M/70cm. Companies have been making dual banders for a long time, and really have some good products out there. In other words, if I am only talking about 2M and 70cm I have no problem using a dual band antenna, but when you start getting into other bands I pretty much refuse to go multi-band unless there is no other way.

For example, on my Miata I do have a Comet UHV-4 quad band to go with the Yaesu FT-8900, but when the same radio was in my Bronco I had diplexers and single band antennas...and it did indeed seem to work better. But, there is no way I am going to have 4 antennas on the Miata, it already looks like an RC car with that big UHV-4 on the back.

What is very important is to compare apples to apples. Dont expect an 14" 2M/70cm dual bander to perform as well as two single band full-size 5/8 wave antennas. But by selecting a dual bander that is not reduced size (unless you need or desire small size and are willing to accept the compromise) and with similar designs (for example it would be unfair to compare a dual 5/8 wave collinear to a simple 1/4 wave) you can probably come up with a dual bander that will perform as well as a pair of single banders (within your ability to tell).

Also remember that not every company uses the same "standard" of gain in their advertising. One company might do a theoretical calculation or modeling and base it on dBi, another might base it on dBd but still be theoretical, yet another might include actual measured numbers from some source. Of my three examples I would bet the last would be the lowest "number", but might well have more actual gain than the other two. It is sometimes better to compare designs, rather than gain numbers. Two different full size, 52", 5/8 wave 2M antennas made by two different companies are going to have pretty much the same gain...regardless of what it says on the package.

If you want single band antennas go ahead and do it, and use a good quality diplexer, I do the same thing in most of my applications. But, realistically, a good full sized dual bander like the Diamond SG7900 (or similar, that was not a plug for Diamond) is just hard to beat.

T!
 

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"Some 1/4 wave lines and diodes would take care of cross-band repeat without the expense of a diplexer."
All well and good as long as you don't try to stuff all that spaghetti into a little mobile rig. (;->)

"Does anyone have any insight as to how the duplexer/diplexer transmutation made its way into ham equipment usage?"
Ignorance on the part of tech writers carried over by ignorant hams. The cure for ignorance is education but in the words of Ron White, there just ain't no fixin' stupid.
 
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