I am newer to programing my departments radios. We have access to multiple trunked systems, the first system gave us the system key. No problem there. We are gaining access to a second system and are working on getting the second system programed in some of our new radios. The radios were sent to a local radio shop to put in the VHF and second trunked system. Will I be able to add the first trunked system without the second systems key? I was told the second system will not give us a key. I know the way I wrote this is a little confusing and am sorry about that. any other questions to clarify this let me know.
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Will only be able to make changes to the System you have a key to the 1st System.
You will have to have the 2nd System Radio Shop do all programming to all radios for the 2nd System.
You will have to have the 2nd System Radio Shop do all programming to all radios for the 2nd System.
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As long as the 2nd systems key doesn't Write Protect the radio, yes you will be able to modify the conventional frequencies and the 1st system with the required ASK. You need to confirm this before they program any radios!
Personally, and managing systems from 2001 to last year, they (the second system) should not be holding your subscriber's hostage. They can set the parameters on the ASK to restrict what you can and cannot do. If they don't know how to do this then they need to find someone who does, to include putting both systems on your current ASK. You do not need separate USB dongles. I would program ASK's with up to 10 individual systems for my technicians, self-supporting users, and Motorola.
Personally, and managing systems from 2001 to last year, they (the second system) should not be holding your subscriber's hostage. They can set the parameters on the ASK to restrict what you can and cannot do. If they don't know how to do this then they need to find someone who does, to include putting both systems on your current ASK. You do not need separate USB dongles. I would program ASK's with up to 10 individual systems for my technicians, self-supporting users, and Motorola.
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I do not intend to modify the second system. We have a conventional system and 2 trunked systems we will need to work with. The ship for the Second system can not put the first system on. I want to make sure I can modify the first trunk system and my conventional system before we get too far into this.
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You can work on system 1 and conventional all you want but can make no changes to system 2
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Like I said above, if this Radio Shop programs your subscribers with a Write Protected ASK they can lock you out from being able to reprogram the radios without all of the keys being loaded. So YES it can happen.
So you don't ever seeing yourself having to update an EID for trunking system #2 for instances like a radio damaged beyond repair? That's a pretty bold statement.
I understand where the OP is coming from. Some sys admins will adamantly refuse to release their sys key to anyone but themselves.
Best advice is to have them program just one unit or see if you can be there and after they program it then try to read and write with your setup.
Tell them you need access to the parts on your radio and not to write protect the whole radio.
Or option 2 which I’ve also seen happen is get some single band radios just for their system and only their system.
Best advice is to have them program just one unit or see if you can be there and after they program it then try to read and write with your setup.
Tell them you need access to the parts on your radio and not to write protect the whole radio.
Or option 2 which I’ve also seen happen is get some single band radios just for their system and only their system.
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It's bad practice to lock down someone else radio. If the agency doesn't own it, it is not under their purview to write protect the entire device. Protect their system from unauthorized changes? Sure. But locking the entire subscriber down is just not necessary.
Unfortunately there are some jackhole system managers out there that feel like if their system goes in someone else's radio, they have the right to write protect it. One suck jackhole around here even passwords radios bought and owned by other agencies than his own.
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