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Astro Saber Bateries [smaller batteries]

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I am looking for the model #'s and or INFO on where to locate the "smaller" HIGHER POWER/LONG LIFE bateries for the Motorola Astro Saber radio's. Any idea's on where to find this information or where I can buy the bateries as well as a charger?

I have some of the older bigger Astro Saber radio batteries but I am looking to "lighten" my load and still have battery power that will last for several hours.

Thank You!
 

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Astro Saber Batts

remod said:
I am looking for the model #'s and or INFO on where to locate the "smaller" HIGHER POWER/LONG LIFE bateries for the Motorola Astro Saber radio's. Any idea's on where to find this information or where I can buy the bateries as well as a charger?

I have some of the older bigger Astro Saber radio batteries but I am looking to "lighten" my load and still have battery power that will last for several hours.

Thank You!

There are only 5 batteries that are made by Moto that are smaller than the BIG batteries.

Three 'Medium" sized batteries:
NTN4593DR - 1100mah NiCD - MOL $116 / MRM $48
NTN4538DR - 1100mah NiCD IS - MOL $131 / MRM $72
NTN8521AR - 1650mah NiMH IS - MOL $140 / MRM $123

Two 'Short' (2 inches)
NTN7014BR - 950mah NiMH - MOL $120 / MRM $75
NTN8818A - 1700mah LiON - MOL $183 / MRM $183

MOL = Motorola Online Prices

MRM - My Radio Mall Prices http://www.myradiomall.com/cgi-bin/category/B_ASTRO_SABER

These batteries aren't cheap, however they ARE Motorola.

The only other place, I have found that sells a small battery
is W&W Associates. It is only 1000mah NiCD and sells for $35
was bought at a hamfest new. It will NOT charge in the IMPRESS
charger, but will charge in the standard Saber rapid charger.

Hope this helps!

73, de Pete
K4QHR

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XTS5000 VHF FPP
XTS5000 800 M3 (FOR SALE!!)
 

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kc4wwu said:
The only other place, I have found that sells a small battery is W&W Associates. It is only 1000mah NiCD and sells for $35 was bought at a hamfest new. It will NOT charge in the IMPRESS charger, but will charge in the standard Saber rapid charger.



Why will it not charge in an Impres charger? Not saying I ever would, but it's a general distrust for anything made/sold by "wibbily & wobbely". Of course, if someone already has an Impres charger (like I do), the thought of spending $35 on a W&W battery when a real Impres battery is only $60 is sorta funny :lol:
 

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Thank you for the replies and help.

Another question I had...What would you suggest on what I am looking for? $35 does sound alot cheaper than $175. I do need some power for transmitting. Not much...I am looking for something small but that will give me some transmit as well as some monitoring. I don't want to have to carry 2 extra batteries, one extra would be good to carry.

I am also not sure I understand the difference between the Impress versus the standard Moto Astro Saber battery charger which I have.

Any suggestions?

Thank you again for the help.
 

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I'll start with what I use for my sabers, I have two multiplier "shorter" batteries, their version of the NTN4593 (3.25" & 1200mAh) that I bought new in February of 2006, they still work fine, and I charge them correctly as needed. I also have two motorola 4" batteries that I got used at various times, one with a $5 parts radio I bought (and that battery lasts a long time) and another I got with a radio.

At the time I got the Multipliers for a sale price of $30 each, drop shipped direct from the factory. They are the only brand battery I would buy for the motorlolas besides factory.


remod said:
Thank you for the replies and help.

Another question I had...What would you suggest on what I am looking for? $35 does sound alot cheaper than $175. I do need some power for transmitting. Not much...I am looking for something small but that will give me some transmit as well as some monitoring. I don't want to have to carry 2 extra batteries, one extra would be good to carry.


Well I'm not really sure how much is "not much transmitting" or how you are using a battery. Do you listen to something that talks non-stop for hours, or just a little. Are you away from a charger for days or a week and need constant comms?

If you are really trying to keep the weight off, the LiON NTN8818A would do the trick. You'll just really pay for the weight savings. I'll see what kind of price I can get, just to be curious.


remod said:
I am also not sure I understand the difference between the Impress versus the standard Moto Astro Saber battery charger which I have.


The Impres charger and battery system is just about a fool proof way to keep a battery charged and in tip-top shape. The battery has a chip inside that tells the charger about itself "Hi, I'm steve, feel me up big daddy".


Ok not quite, but the charger can tell when the battery needs to be reconditioned, and automatically does it. You can also do a partial charge, say if you use the radio for a few hours but you need it fully charged again later, just pop it in the Impress charger with no worries about memory issues. Some later radios have a "fuel gauge" that will actually show what the cap of the battery attached is.

Also, the chargers with a display will show the condition of the battery, and other info. It is only one of the gang chargers, but there is a mod to add it to a regular single position Impres charger as well.

Basically, it's cool, and works, and somewhat pricy for fooling around/ham use, but if you really depend on your gear (or are a ham like me who also does not want to screw around with half-baked stuff), then the Impres system is a good way to go.


Here is some more stuff... http://www.wellscomm.com/impres_faqs.htm


Now the bad, the only IMpres battery for the saber family is 1800mAh, and heavy. It's a nicad, so it's something to drag around. The XTS boys get the cool 4150mAh LiIon Impress battery while the saber toting boys get left out in the rain :lol: If I would have kept my XTS5000, I would have bought one, but I like a sexy slim radio like the sabers.

Funny, I like my women just the opposite, bring on the fattys :D
 

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kc4wwu said:
Two 'Short' (2 inches)
NTN7014BR - 950mah NiMH - MOL $120 / MRM $75

73, de Pete
K4QHR

The NTN 7014BR is now 1350 MAH. I just got 2 new ones in the mail from /\/\ yesterday and the capacity is written on the white bag tag.
 

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Again thank you for the help and insight. The recent post on the 1350MaH batt, I guess those would fit the Astro Saber as well? I am not finding those batteries [1350MaH] on the Moto parts list. Maybe I over looked it.

I do appreciate the help and info on the Impress Battery charger.

In a nut shell, I just need something with about half the time for monitoring and half for transmitting with half the size. Those bigger batteries are just too big and bulky to carry any more. I am not in favor of the XTS5000 because I feel the Astro Saber's are more rugged and can take a "hit" than the cheaper plastic.

About 10yrs ago I had a normal VHF Saber. Bottom line, it was run over by a pickup truck pulling a double axel wheel trailor. When I picked it up, it still worked and the display was not even cracked. The battery and housing were scuffed but it passed a test like no other and you could still program it, transmit on it and recieve just like new. Amazing!

In the above mentioned case, I think the XTS family of radio's would have just busted into a million piece's.

Thank you again for the help.
 

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KS4VT said:
The NTN 7014BR is now 1350 MAH. I just got 2 new ones in the mail from /\/\ yesterday and the capacity is written on the white bag tag.

Good info to have.....



remod said:
Again thank you for the help and insight. The recent post on the 1350MaH batt, I guess those would fit the Astro Saber as well? I am not finding those batteries [1350MaH] on the Moto parts list. Maybe I over looked it.



Yes, the batteries are all interchangeable between the saber, systems saber, and the astro saber. The only differences are with the "R" batteries, those are special to fit the "R" case.
 

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W&W with an Impress Charger

Grog said:
Why will it not charge in an Impres charger? Not saying I ever would, but it's a general distrust for anything made/sold by "wibbily & wobbely". Of course, if someone already has an Impres charger (like I do), the thought of spending $35 on a W&W battery when a real Impres battery is only $60 is sorta funny :lol:

Well, when I stuck it in the Impress Charger, the charger just did a rapid blinking red light. I have no idea why the W&W wont charge in it. Maybe because the W&W is a POS? haha... it was cheap at the time, and I just charge them in the saber charger. They work fine.

73, de Pete
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Motorola AS2 VHF
Motorola Astro Spectra UHF W7
Motorola Astro Spectra VHF W7
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Well, when I stuck it in the Impress Charger, the charger just did a rapid blinking red light. I have no idea why the W&W wont charge in it. Maybe because the W&W is a POS? haha...



Well you said it, not me :lol:


Ok, checked with a dealer on the batlabs forums who gives discounts to it's members.

7014 is $68---NTN7014BR - 1350mah NiMH -MSRP $120
8818 is $148---NTN8818A - 1700mah LiON - MSRP $183

That LiIon is still pricey, but it would be very light. There is another dealer that sells their own batteries, and she says she can sell a 3000mah LiIon for $75. Might be great, might not. She does have a one year warranty, and she has been recommended over the years for service.


For something like a LiIon battery, I would stick with factory. I would not want to risk anything to save a few bucks.....
 

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I would strongly advise against buying any W&W batteries, particularly their LI batteries.

My experiences with them have been less than positive. Realliy bad, I'd say.

I can show you a radio (an Icom) that melted when the W&W battery that was on it caught
fire and exploded while in the (li-ion rated) charger. it did considerable damage to the
6-unit charger it was in in addition to destroying the radio. The company I work for will
no longer carry W&W batteries and sent them ALL out for safe disposal.

Check Power Products, too. They make good batteries.

I'm using an NTN8818A on an Astro Saber and so far, I'm pleased with it. It's the only
short pack I've yet found that will support an Astro Saber all day on one charge. (But
with only limited use of the transmitter. Talk a lot and it's still not enough.)

Elroy
 
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