Avoid Recording

[DanRollman]

Apologies in advance if this has already been asked and answered, I wasn't able to find it...

Is there a way to program the G5 to receive P25 trunked talkgroups audibly live, like a scanner or subscriber radio, but not record the transmissions? It sure seems like this would be possible given the PPS parameter description for the Voice Storage and Voice Buffering options, but for the life of me I can't seem to make it work.

I have tried every permutation of the Voice Storage, Voice Buffering and Alert Mode options I can figure in PPS, and every combination records the transmission (some combinations play the audio live, and others only allow audio to be heard on recording playback). I cannot seem to find a way to hear transmissions live but NOT record them.

I'm looking for a way to do this because I have no interest in recordings and would prefer to save the processor power and battery that I presume is being dedicated to this unnecessary (for me) function. The G5 audio is also about a half second delayed compared to my KNG radio, and entirely misses the first perhaps 1/4 of a second of each transmission as compared to my KNG radio, and I wonder whether skipping the unneeded recording feature might avoid this delay and small missed portion of each transmission.

Dan

 

[N6ML]

There's a "Voice Storage" option for talkgroup definitions on tab D4. Pretty sure that that has worked for me in the past. I haven't looked closely recently, though.

As for the half-second delay; that should not manifest if "Voice Buffering" is disabled, *unless* you're using BlueTooth or the amplified charging base, in which cases it's unavoidable (sadly).

 

[DanRollman]

There's a "Voice Storage" option for talkgroup definitions on tab D4. Pretty sure that that has worked for me in the past. I haven't looked closely recently, though.

Thanks for the reply. The Voice Storage option in tab D4 has always been unchecked for me, but my talkgroups always recorded. In the "Zone and Channel Setting" screen in Tab D5, I've turned off Voice Storage and Voice Buffering. Then I get no audio. I've kept that Voice Storage off and turned Voice Buffering back on, and I seem to get audio but still delayed.

As for the half-second delay; that should not manifest if "Voice Buffering" is disabled, *unless* you're using BlueTooth or the amplified charging base, in which cases it's unavoidable (sadly).

Hmm. If I turn off Voice Buffering I get no audio. Are you able to hear audio (live) when Buffering is disabled? Wonder what I'm doing wrong. I am not using BT or amplified charging base.

 

[bob550]

As @N6ML indicates, tab D4 lets you select or deselect Voice Storage independently for each talkgroup. However, you can also turn recording on and off in your Zone and Channel settings in tab 5. But you must have already selected the Voice Storage option in tab 4 for this to have any effect.

 

[N6ML]

Hmm. If I turn off Voice Buffering I get no audio. Are you able to hear audio (live) when Buffering is disabled?

Yes! Are you using any "Binding Feature" ?

 

[bob550]

To hear audio, select "Default Tone" in tab 4 for each talkgroup. In tab 5, zone and channel setting, select tone for "Alert Mode", and make sure "Push to Listen" is set to no.

 

[DanRollman]

To hear audio, select "Default Tone" in tab 4 for each talkgroup. In tab 5, zone and channel setting, select tone for "Alert Mode", and make sure "Push to Listen" is set to no.

Thanks for the reply. Just to be clear, you are saying that in Tab D4, Alert Mode should be "Tone", "Alert Tone" should be set to "Default Tone" (rather than "None" which is what I've always had there) and then in Tab D5 Voice Storage should be "Off" and "Voice Buffering" can then be set to "Disable" without losing the audio? Then I presume Alert Mode is set to "Tone" there too?

To be sure, "Binding Feature" has always been set to "None."

Thanks to you both for the advice and assistance.

 

[N6ML]

Thanks for the reply. Just to be clear, you are saying that in Tab D4, Alert Mode should be "Tone", "Alert Tone" should be set to "Default Tone" (rather than "None" which is what I've always had there) and then in Tab D5 Voice Storage should be "Off" and "Voice Buffering" can then be set to "Disable" without losing the audio? Then I presume Alert Mode is set to "Tone" there too?

If you do that, you will get an actual tone every time that knob position receives. I don't think that's what you want?

 

[bob550]

Just to be clear, you are saying that in Tab D4, Alert Mode should be "Tone",

I apologize. I meant to say that "Alert Mode" should be set to "none", and "Alert Tone" set to "Default Tone" in tab 4.

 

[bob550]

then in Tab D5 Voice Storage should be "Off" and "Voice Buffering" can then be set to "Disable" without losing the audio? Then I presume Alert Mode is set to "Tone" there too?

That's correct. "Voice buffering" is only needed if "Alert Mode" is set to something other than "none" in tab 4.

 

[picscan]

If these are checked it will record

 

[bob550]

If these are checked it will record

Only when Voice Storage is set to "ID Match" in "Zone and Channel Setting", also.

 

[DanRollman]

Only when Voice Storage is set to "ID Match" in "Zone and Channel Setting", also.

Thank you all. It appears I have successfully disabled recording based on the above tips, and there is no longer a noticeable delay in the audio of the entire transmission on my G5 relative to my KNG radio.

Unfortunately, it still seems to me that I am missing a very small portion of the beginning of each transmission on my G5, relative to my KNG radio. This is similar to my SDS100, which also doesn't seem to pick up the very first part of most transmissions relative to my KNG radio. Often times this is not noticeable at all, if the units don't start speaking within the first half second or so after they press the transmit button. But other times, a unit like "two twenty one" sounds like that on my KNG, but sounds like "twenty one" or at best "ooh twenty one" on my G5 side by side. I probably wouldn't even notice, and would just assume the unit starts talking too soon after pressing his TX button or he is not waiting for the beep on his radio to finish before he begins speaking, but for having a KNG radio side by side with my G5. Oh well, as I said, it is very slight, and the G5 costs about 1/3 to 1/4 of a KNG radio. Was just hoping I could cure this difference anyway.

Dan

 

[IAmSixNine]

what version of PPS and firmware do you have?

I had to adjust a few of my G4 TG lists to remove some duplicates as my KNG2. The delay is necessary for me, just in case i miss an address its great to be able to go back to the recordings.