BCD396XT Rechargable Battery Issue

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Can any power users advise me on this:

I've been charging the stock batteries, Energizer and Sanyo (HR6, 2700) batteries in an Energizer charger, but they only last 2-4 hours tops. On the first use, the Energizers and the Sanyos worked for 10 hours at least. But 4-5 cycles later, poor performance.

Do I need to use the stock AC adapter to charge the batteries?

Should I only use the stock batteries?

Should I send it to Uniden for evaluation?

Is the world really flat?

Thanks for any feedback.
 

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A few things could be going on here...

I'm assuming that you are letting the cells discharge until you hear the Uniden warning beep.

What is the model of the energizer charger you are using? Does it charge batteries individually or accept an odd number of cells? In my experience, the energizer chargers have qc issues. For example, their "travel charger" which has a slide out tray, often requires one to pull it from the ac after the first hour, and then plug back in to actually finish a charge. In one hour, it has a tendency to think that the cells are fully charged when they are not, (assuming we are starting from mostly discharged cells) and need a manual power cycle. Just an example..

Note that energizer cells have actually gone backwards over the years due to various issues - at one time, they were 2650's, then they backed down to 2500's, then backed down again to 2450, and have backed down even further for the most recent 2300's !! Something to watch out for since the 2650's in particular exhibited this problem right away.

I'm kind of surprised that the 2700 Sanyo's are doing this, and even the GP oem batteries at just 5 or 6 cycles.

I suspect the charger. Let us know what model it is, or if you know right off the bat if it charges only in pairs, and how you are handling that issue for a 3-cell uniden.

There are a few semi-decent drugstore type chargers out there, but for the same cost, I think most of us would suggest a higher quality unit, like a Maha MH-C401FS or something similar. But first, lets find out what the charger is, and how you are actually charging them.
 

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Thanks for the reply. Charger model is the Energizer CHP41US. I disabled the beep and the backlight is on most of the time; it runs till it shuts off.

Not too many good reviews for the CHP41US on Amazon. Amazon.com: Energizer Smart Rechargeable Charger for AA/AAA Batteries, with 4 AA Batteries Included: Health & Personal Care

Looks like it's a 2 or 4 at-a-time charger. I'll return it and try the MAHA MH-C401FS. Do you recommend the compact wall version for the same results as the Maha PowerEx H-C401FS4AA27? While I prefer small and light, performance is important too.

My other question is do I stick with the lower 2250mAh stock GP's? What are the performance differences for the Sanyo 2700's for example? I've read great reviews on them.

Shots fired, got to go...
 
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I had the same problem. I purchased a used 396xt of Ebay. I had a pro 106 and used the Radio Shack batteries (enercell hr6 2500) and was only getting 6 hours. I had a Energizer charger (chp41us) and tried the energizer batteries (2300). To begin with I was getting around 8 or 9 hours but after a few charges they also went out after 6 hours. I did a search of the threads on the 396 and found a Lacrosse BC-9009 highly recommended. Purchased one off Ebay for around 40 bucks. Now I use the same energizer 2300 batteries and get 11 to 12 hours off each charge.
 

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Thanks for the reply. Charger model is the Energizer CHP41US. I disabled the beep and the backlight is on most of the time; it runs till it shuts off.

That's not really the best idea - it is better to heed the warning beep. The reason for this is that while you can get a few extra minutes out of the cells by disregarding or disabling the beep, you are taking the cells below 0.9v (discharged) into "flat" territory. Quality cells can recover from this, but it is not good for cycle life.

Not too many good reviews for the CHP41US on Amazon.
I'm glad you saw that, especially the reviews from the engineer who put them through their paces with a LaCrosse battery analyzer. He has reviewed quite a few drugstore quality chargers. The biggest thing to look out for is the ability to work with odd numbers of cells, and a quality delta-v charge shutoff detector. Maha's and LaCross have these qualities. So do some drugstore chargers, but many are either out of production, or have hard to find specs.

Looks like it's a 2 or 4 at-a-time charger. I'll return it and try the MAHA MH-C401FS. Do you recommend the compact wall version for the same results as the Maha PowerEx H-C401FS4AA27? While I prefer small and light, performance is important too.

Those appear to be the same thing, but one includes the Powerex 2700's as the included batteries. While the 2700's are useful, you'll want to be using them within a few days of recharging. The tradeoff for very high-capacities like 2700ma, is that they have a higher internal resistance, hence high self-discharge rate. You'd want to use them right away. Photographers like to charge them just before a shoot, rather than having them sit around for a week. And, when measured, you may not really get 2700ma out of them, but something lower that may meet the minimum manufacturer spec.

One tip for Maha CH-401FS users is that it has a slow (300ma) and fast (1000ma) charge rate. With larger capacity batteries of today (the 401FS is quite a few years old now), to accurately detect the delta-v shutoff, use the fast rate. If you use the slow rate with high capacity batteries (anything 2000ma or more), it may not detect the delta-v, or take a much longer time than necessary to do so.

Warning! Not all Maha chargers charge cells individually either! You have to check.

My other question is do I stick with the lower 2250mAh stock GP's? What are the performance differences for the Sanyo 2700's for example? I've read great reviews on them.

In real-world use on a low-drain scanner (unlike a high-drain flash unit), they are about the same, however keep in mind that the Sanyo's might also have a high-self discharge. Use them pretty quickly after recharging. I have no experience with the REGULAR Sanyo's although Sanyos on the large are very high quality.

One option that is popular is to use "pre-charged" or "low self discharge" batteries - the most popular being Sanyo Eneloops. They have a low-self-discharge, but usually have a lower overall capacity of about 2000 to 2300 mah. For me, the low-self-discharge is a secondary benefit. The primary benefit of the LSD cells, is that they typically have a lower internal resistance - thus they charge faster and cooler. (That's a comparatively coolER - they still get hot). And unlike regular nimh cells, they are much closer in capacity to each other being made with higher quality standards. I've also found that they don't need a lot of recharge cycles to get them up to speed. Neither do they seem to need "forming" charges. In other words, one or two rounds of charging, and you are good to go.

Also look for fresh cells. I was very excited about finding "Duraloops" - slang for rebadged Duracells that are really Sanyo Eneloops underneath. (White tops). I bought a bunch, only to find that they are already 3 years old! They are performing fine, only they have about 1850-1900 ma capacity. Not bad, but I should have been more careful about buying new-old stock.

Avoid any charger that is faster than about 2 hours, unless you have experience and the equipment to carefully monitor them. Funny thing is, you can do about as much damage from a "15-minute" charger, as you can from just "slow roasting" a battery on so-called untimed trickle chargers. It just takes longer to degrade them. :)
 
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With all the radios, flashlights, and cameras I have, I've always needed a lot of rechargeable batteries.

Back around 2004 I bought 60 'AA' Energizer NiMh batteries.
Within 2 years, they were all in the trash/recycling bin.
They 'seemed' to take a charge and then quickly died.
It was frustrating being at some family function and having my camera die after just a few photos.

I then bought 80 Eneloop LSD rechargeable batteries.
(Also, some other brands of LSD batteries.)
I've never had one of them fail me in over 5 years.
The Eneloop LSD 2000 mah batteries give me much better service than higher capacity batteries of other brands.

My travel time to work is about 1 hour each way and I swap them out every 3-4 days.
(That's about 6-8 hours total in a BCD396T)

I have several good chargers including a MAHA MH-C9000 and a MH-C808M

A smart charger like the MH-C9000 will tell you exactly how your batteries are holding up and let you know when it's time to scrap your batteries.
It takes all of the 'guess work' out of it.

Rich

Edit: By the way, if you want to read a LOT about batteries and chargers, you can go to CandlePower forums.
There's lots of good stuff there. Although some of the better threads were lost a while back.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?9-Flashlight-Electronics-Batteries-Included
 
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I have several good chargers including a MAHA MH-C9000 and a MH-C808M

I couldn't agree more (I also have the C9000) and the candlepower forums are a great resource!

I just wanted to point out that while we're on the topic of Maha chargers, the AA/AAA-only chargers like the C801 and C800 look similar, but there is one thing to be aware of:

The C801 has a default of 2000ma charge, and a 1000ma slow charge for AA's. This default may be too high for some, so as a general rule, use the slow option. Some have asked Maha to reverse the default, but I haven't seen it in production yet.

I permanantly marked mine with a silver-sharpie to help me remember which button is which. :)

The C800 looks the same as the C801, but has slower rates of charge. This is fine, as long as you don't need the very high 2000ma rate.

Of course the 808M does C's and D's as well as AA's, so that is a good charger if you need to charge those too.
 
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