Better? Yaesu VR-500 or Icom R5?

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safetyobc

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Which of these two are better receivers?

Icom R5 or Yaesu VR500?

I know the Yaesu has SSB but I can assume HF is next to nothing on a hand held. I am mainly looking for a good VHF-High receiver. The Icom has CTCSS/DCS. Both have text (I think). Both use AA batteries. I know some of the major differences. I am looking for performance mixed with the best features.

Any hh receivers/scanners better than the above?

Thanks for any info.

matt
 

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I have the VR-500. All mode (AM/NAM/NFM/WFM/USB/LSB/CW) on any receivable frequency. The HF is not bad - it overloads easily, so don't connect an outside external antenna for HF. A 20 foot random wire makes the HF quite acceptable for a handheld. A whip alone works better than you'd think for casual HF listening, too.

Very good VHF and UHF ears. My main interest (other than the usual public safety) is mil air monitoring, and the VR-500 does well in this regard. Per usual, ditch the stock antenna; I use the Diamond RH77-CA which brings in the VHF and UHF air signals. For example, I can hear aerial refueling ops on UHF using just the whip.

1000 channels, 10 banks, 8 character text tags, slow scan speed (12 channels/sec), long battery life on 2 AA's. Graphical bandscope is a neat feature, but I wish you could hear the audio when using it. It's nice being able to store HF freqs in memory, on a handheld. Small nit on that - you can't 'fine tune' an HF freq (or any freq) recalled from memory.

All in all, a great radio. Biggest complaint is the slow scan speed.

Hope this helps!

Erik
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I have owned a VR-500 for a few years. Its performance directly relates to how you intend to use it and which features are most important. I wanted ss/cw detection, extreme portability, large memory capacity and wide band reception. The VR-500 fits into my shirt pocket and I take it with me in my travels. The fact that it runs from 2 AA batteries is a definite plus. A fresh set of AA batteries lasts about 15-20 hours. I use both rechargeable NiMH's and alkalines.

In my case for HF, I mostly listen to fixed frequency stations - milcom, transoceanic aircraft and number stations where transmissions are channelized. In those applications, it works good enough for casual listening. I did have to slightly realign the BFO so that SSB signals sound correct (it was off by about -600 HZ as received from the factory). The IF bandwidth is about 8 KHz for LSB/USB/CW modes so don't expect razorsharp selctivity. But for casual listening it's just fine.

There are a few quirks in the LSB/USB modes. First, the BFO frequency is injected into the center of the bandpass. As a result, the VR-500 is not capable of single frequency reception. As a result the VR-500 does not tune LSB, USB or CW signals like a communications receiver. As a matter of fact, because of how the BFO works, you can use the USB mode to receive LSB and vice versa. Second, the tuning rate always defaults to the 100 Hz steps regardless of the autoband settings. This is more of an annoyance than a problem. The quick get around is to select the manual step rate mode.

As far as amateur radio monitoring, it is definitely not up to par with a real ham type receiver, especially if you intend to tune around. But then again, since it covers all bands and all modes from 160 Meters through 1296 MHz and it fits in your shirt pocket it's pretty hard to beat. I use it to monitor several 75 meter SSB nets, W1AW CW practice, RTTY bulletins, propagation beacons and qrp calling frequencies. I've used it to copy SSTV, PSK-31 and RTTY with decoder software.

The normal AM mode bandpass is very wide - approx 16 KHz. This results in mediocre SWBC reception. There is a software mod (NAM) to reduce the IF bandwidth from 16 KHz to about 8 KHz. This makes a significant improvement in performance for SWBC. The IF response is somewhat nonsymmetrical - one side of the response is very steep and the other has less of a slope, much like a Cohn filter. It is definitely not a communications receiver. It does work just fine for casual SWBC listening and I use the VFO presets for the SWBC bands between 49 - 13 meters.

AM BCB reception with the NAM mod is fairly good. With the 26 inch whip, I can hear most of the stations that I can hear on my car radio. Performance below the AM broadcast band is ok, once you get out of the urban environment otherwise there is a lot of crud from the AM BCB. I use it to listen to NDB's and can easily hear some stations as far as 150 miles in the daytime using a short, 26 inch whip. Most other owners use a short length of wire rather than a full sized antenna because the front end overloads easily for most HF and below frequencies. (On VHF/UHF I use full size antennas with no problems.)

Its main drawbacks for HF performance:
1. Does not have single signal reception for SSB/CW
2. The IF bandwidth is too wide. The NAM mod helps alot on AM but the filter response is somewhat nonsymmetrical.
3. The front end overloads very easily and the attenuator is not much help
4. The receive is not good for general tuning.

As far as VHF/UHF performance is concerned, I mainly listen to milcom aircraft, some public service and amateur radio repeaters. The ability to cover the UHF military aircraft segments is a definite plus in my book.

There is a quirk in the VFO scan mode. I noticed that some frequencies like 145.010 could not be scanned in VFO scan mode using 20 KHz steps. My VR-500 always defaulted to scanning 145.000, 145.020 etc regardless of how I initialized the scanning. I devised a simple test to determine if a frequency can be scanned in VFO mode. If you divide the desired frequency by the VFO step rate and your answer is a whole number answer such as 7250.0 or 7251.0 then you can scan the frequency. Since 145.010 MHz / 20 KHz = 7250.5 you can not scan this freq in VFO mode using that step rate. If you use a 10 KHz scan rate the answer is 14501, an integer. So to get around this problem, I set my VFO scan rate to 10 KHz steps for this range. One drawback to this solution is that I scan twice as many channels as needed.

Note that there are some frequencies where this trick will not work. As example the VHF fire band between 154.1300 and 154.4450 is in 15 KHz steps. Since the VR-500 also doesn't have 7.5 Khz steps, you are out of luck. Interestingly,the police band assignment between 154.6500 and 154.9650, which is also in 15 KHz steps scans just fine since 154.6500 MHz / 15 KHz = 10310.0, a whole number whereas 154.1300 MHz / 15 Khz = 10275.333.

Its main drawbacks for VHF/UHF performance:
1. scan rate is too slow - about 10-15 channels/sec
2. it is somewhat prone to front end overload - and cell images in the 900 - 908 MHz range are strong. Ditto in the 536-556 MHz range, not quite as strong but the entire cell band is there.
3. There is a quirk in the VFO scan
4. The stock stubby antenna is resonant in the 130 MHz range and has a distinct null around 160 MHz. Many owners stop using the stock antenna.
5. Besides being blocked for cellular in the US version, there are several other freq's blocked - approximately 620-629, 784-797, and 1055-1068 MHz. So some UHF TV aural channels are blocked.
6. If you are going to use it mobile, you need an amplified speaker. Its' audio is a little weak.

As far as sensitivity is concerned, the VR-500 is pretty good. Most frequencies, signals less than 1 microvolt are easily detected. But keep in mind that this receiver is not going to be up to par with your dedicated HF rig or even your 2 meter HT. Both will most likely receive better but they probably aren't as versatle as this little jewel.

Dan
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Thanks guys for those comments. I appreciate it. I have a Sangean ATS-909 I use for HF mainly at home. I also have a Pro-2052, Pro-2051, and BCD396T for my scanners.

I am looking for a good all around "receiver" for VHF-High that has HF capability. These comments are really helping. Thanks.
 

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vr500 is a excellent hh receiver but if you need ctcss icom has always has had the best audio and if you dont need ctcss then grab the vr500 if you need ctcss icomr5 is your best bet. ps i wonder why when they made the vr500 they did not add ctcss .
 
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The R5 always seemed good on VHF and UHF to me. As others have pointed out, it has CTCSS/DCS, where the VR500 does not.

There's a great way to program the R5 via "tk5" by Bob Parnass:

http://parnass.com/tk5/

I don't have any experience with the VR500, but from reading the detailed review above, I'd say it's probably hotter on HF than the R5. Also, the R5 does not get into the fine tuning steps on HF.

On the other hand, the R5 is about $100 less than the VR500 right now. That's a lot of "AA" batteries! :)
 

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One other thing: the R5 has no numeric keypad. As the owner of a keypad-less VX-1R, the R5 is probably not impossible to use by any means...but a regular keypad is nice, especially when punching in 5 digit HF freqs.

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A few more tidbits: the R5 has a scan speed of 10 channels/sec, so that feature is a wash with the VR-500.

The "channel lockout" on the VR-500 is intuitively backwards. You can't press a L/O button to lock out a freq. Instead, you designate any number of priority channels within a bank. Then, when scanning, you can choose to listen to the priority channels only, or all channels. So "locking out" a channel means stop scanning, and then removing it from the priority list. It's a little weird, but you get used to it.

The VR-500 also has 10 pairs of dual watch frequencies. I find I use this feature more and more, as an alternative to scanning through large banks with a slow scan speed. As you can guess, you can program in two freqs in a dual watch slot and the VR-500 will quickly flip back and forth between those two freqs. I use it like this: sure I have all my VHF air freqs in one bank. But, maybe I'm in the mood to just listen to the local county airport. They only have 2-3 freqs anyway, so I put the top 2 into a dual watch and let it rip. Other dual watch pairs I have is 121.5/243.0 (civ/mil emergency), local police and fire dispatch, 2 common rail freqs, and so on. I think this is an underrated and somewhat forgotten feature of the radio.

Erik
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