Bucks county simulcasting turnpike

[Ryanwr944]

Hi using sdr trunk today was hearing a new talk group simulcasting hispire has anyone else heard this today

 

[HM1529]

Hi using sdr trunk today was hearing a new talk group simulcasting hispire has anyone else heard this today

Since the turnpike has migrated its comms to PTT over LTE devices, they have been working with individual counties on interop solutions. For counties with trunked systems, this has meant patching the LTE channels into the county trunked system on new dedicated talkgroups. I would expect two talkgroups to show up in Bucks...one for District 4 on the east-west pike in the lower end and one for District 5 on the NE Extension in upper Bucks.

Did you happen to get a talkgroup ID?

 

[HM1529]

I'm not seeing any new unidentified talkgroups showing up in the Broadcastify Calls logs, but that might just be because the folks feeding in to Calls are not set up to log unidentified talkgroups. Maybe the folks running those two nodes collecting Bucks can change their setups to catch unidentified talkgroups.

 

[EMT1301]

Since the turnpike has migrated its comms to PTT over LTE devices, they have been working with individual counties on interop solutions. For counties with trunked systems, this has meant patching the LTE channels into the county trunked system on new dedicated talkgroups. I would expect two talkgroups to show up in Bucks...one for District 4 on the east-west pike in the lower end and one for District 5 on the NE Extension in upper Bucks.

Did you happen to get a talkgroup ID?

There would probably be a third talkgroup as well for large-scale incidents. The LTE system has one talkgroup for primary dispatch in each district, one talkgroup for each tunnel, and three systemwide "Ops" talkgroups to be assigned for major incidents. I don't know the exact plan for the Ops talkgroups, but Ops 2 is the one they provided for Somerset County.

 

[HM1529]

I forgot about the "Ops" talkgroups. Neighboring MontCo, which also covers Distrcts 4 and 5, was assigned Ops 3. I would imagine the same one would be used for Bucks. I guess Ops 1 would be used in the middle of the state?

 

[EMT1301]

I forgot about the "Ops" talkgroups. Neighboring MontCo, which also covers Distrcts 4 and 5, was assigned Ops 3. I would imagine the same one would be used for Bucks. I guess Ops 1 would be used in the middle of the state?

Actually, Westmoreland (and other ICORRS counties to the west) were provided with Ops 1. I initially assumed that there would be an Ops 4 and Ops 5 for districts 4 and 5 respectively, but that's not how they're operating at this point. Nonetheless, it seems like district 1 is ops 1 and district 2 is ops 2. Could it possibly be ops 2 for districts 2 and 3, and ops 3 for D4 and D5?

 

[Ryanwr944]

27604 is the talk group Id I been hearing so far

 

[HM1529]

Actually, Westmoreland (and other ICORRS counties to the west) were provided with Ops 1. I initially assumed that there would be an Ops 4 and Ops 5 for districts 4 and 5 respectively, but that's not how they're operating at this point. Nonetheless, it seems like district 1 is ops 1 and district 2 is ops 2. Could it possibly be ops 2 for districts 2 and 3, and ops 3 for D4 and D5?

Huh, I guess we need somebody who can get their hands on a turnpike LTE radio to take a look. Otherwise, we only know the bits and pieces. Do you know the talkgroups for District 1 and Ops 1 on ICORRS? I'm assuming Westmoreland and Butler would just use the same two talkgroups on ICORRS for their interop?

 

[HM1529]

27604 is the talk group Id I been hearing so far

Based on the comms, is that District 4 (you'd hear Highspire calling units from Devault, Plymouth, Trevose maintenance shops) or District 5 (Highspire calling units from Quakertown, Pocono maintenance shops)?

 

[trentbob]

I'm in District 4 near the turnpike Bridge and Route 13. Once in a while there will be a call for local fire departments in Bristol and Bensalem to come on to the turnpike.. not that long ago I just activated 155.13 pl77.0 and heard fire equipment talking with the turnpike.

If somebody had the time they could just ID search Bucks County P2 system, locking out whatever known talk groups they don't want to listen to.. when a fire department or ambulance gets a call on the TP.. one could ID search looking for new active talk groups..

I guess we're talking about two or three talk groups.. Bucks County units and the Turnpike will use to talk on the Bucks County Phase 2 system?

 

[EMT1301]

Huh, I guess we need somebody who can get their hands on a turnpike LTE radio to take a look. Otherwise, we only know the bits and pieces. Do you know the talkgroups for District 1 and Ops 1 on ICORRS? I'm assuming Westmoreland and Butler would just use the same two talkgroups on ICORRS for their interop?

@IStebleton captured one of them recently, 2070. I believe that's District 1 dispatch. Ops 1 would probably be 2071, but I'm not 100% certain.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

TGID 27604: District 4 Interop
No District 5 interop
Submission made

 

[EMT1301]

@IStebleton captured one of them recently, 2070. I believe that's District 1 dispatch. Ops 1 would probably be 2071, but I'm not 100% certain.

I should say, I do have the information on what the new talkgroups are, I just don't have access to it at the moment. One Somerset County fire department responds into District 1 and will be receiving the new talkgroups in their radios, but we haven't got it programmed yet for them.

 

[trentbob]

TGID 27604: District 4 Interop
No District 5 interop

So let me understand John, what is this talk group for? Are we looking on the Bucks County or Montgomery County system for talk groups that the turnpike will communicate with fire and EMT?

District 5 doesn't matter to me as the Northeast Extension is pretty far from me. Thanks.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

So let me understand John, what is this talk group for? Are we looking on the Bucks County or Montgomery County system for talk groups that the turnpike will communicate with fire and EMT?

TGID I ID'ed is on the Bucks system. Listened to Montco and Bucks simultaneously. Bucks TGID 27604 & TGID 2833 on the Montco TRS are rebroadcasts of 155.130 PL 77.0

 

[trentbob]

TGID I ID'ed is on the Bucks system. Listened to Montco and Bucks simultaneously. Bucks TGID 27604 & TGID 2833 on the Montco TRS are rebroadcasts of 155.130 PL 77.0

I would think the VHF rebroadcast would continue to rebroadcast whatever District 4 fire departments did on the turnpike.. using Bucks County TG27604.

I get great reception on the VHF..

Thanks!

 

[HM1529]

I would think the VHF rebroadcast would continue to rebroadcast whatever District 4 fire departments did on the turnpike.. using Bucks County TG27604.

I get great reception on the VHF..

Thanks!

As new solutions are implemented, the old VHF system will be taken offline. I explained above what the turnpike it doing with counties that have trunked systems. The turnpike system passes through 15 counties that operate on trunked systems and 9 counties that use conventional systems. There's no hard timeline for the VHF to go, but the plan is to pull the plug on towers when they can.

So far, it would seem the turnpike has projects in the works or completed with Butler, Westmoreland, Somerset (all on ICORRS), Chester, Montgomery, and Bucks. I would imagine Dauphin/Franklin are in the pipeline since they share a trunked system. Both Cumberland and Lebanon are in the middle of trunked system upgrades so I would imagine nothing will change until their new systems are online. That leaves York and Luzerne systems to watch for new talkgroups.

Washington/Beaver/Allegheny/Bedford/Fulton/Huntingdon/Lehigh/Carbon/Lackawanna are the conventional system counties and I haven't seen anybody mention any changes in those counties.

 

[EMT1301]

As new solutions are implemented, the old VHF system will be taken offline. I explained above what the turnpike it doing with counties that have trunked systems. The turnpike system passes through 15 counties that operate on trunked systems and 8 counties that use conventional systems. There's no hard timeline for the VHF to go, but the plan is to pull the plug on towers when they can.

So far, it would seem the turnpike has projects in the works or completed with Butler, Westmoreland, Somerset (all on ICORRS), Chester, Montgomery, and Bucks. I would imagine Dauphin/Franklin are in the pipeline since they share a trunked system. Both Cumberland and Lebanon are in the middle of trunked system upgrades so I would imagine nothing will change until their new systems are online. That leaves York and Luzerne systems to watch for new talkgroups.

Washington/Beaver/Allegheny/Bedford/Fulton/Huntingdon/Lehigh/Carbon/Lackawanna are the conventional system counties and I haven't seen anybody mention any changes in those counties.

And Fayette and Lawrence Counties. They're sharing the District 1 talkgroups as well.

 

[trentbob]

As new solutions are implemented, the old VHF system will be taken offline. I explained above what the turnpike it doing with counties that have trunked systems. The turnpike system passes through 15 counties that operate on trunked systems and 9 counties that use conventional systems. There's no hard timeline for the VHF to go, but the plan is to pull the plug on towers when they can.

So far, it would seem the turnpike has projects in the works or completed with Butler, Westmoreland, Somerset (all on ICORRS), Chester, Montgomery, and Bucks. I would imagine Dauphin/Franklin are in the pipeline since they share a trunked system. Both Cumberland and Lebanon are in the middle of trunked system upgrades so I would imagine nothing will change until their new systems are online. That leaves York and Luzerne systems to watch for new talkgroups.

Washington/Beaver/Allegheny/Bedford/Fulton/Huntingdon/Lehigh/Carbon/Lackawanna are the conventional system counties and I haven't seen anybody mention any changes in those counties.

Okay, I'm getting it now, I was thinking that once all of this is in place that it would make sense for them to depreciate the VHF system..

Going years back I always enjoyed 159.075, with the Troopers, Trevose and Rob's Towing talking to Highspire...

It was fun to hang in the turnpike rest stops late at night.. long time ago.

Thanks for the information, much appreciated.

 

[Ryanwr944]

I'm not seeing any new unidentified talkgroups showing up in the Broadcastify Calls logs, but that might just be because the folks feeding in to Calls are not set up to log unidentified talkgroups. Maybe the folks running those two nodes collecting Bucks can change their setups to catch unidentified talkgroups.

I run one of the nodes how do I change the log settings