Buffalo and Fort Erie Public Bridge Authority

[ak716]

Nothing for nothing. I'm always super skeptical about submitting or requesting anything in the DB to be changed if encrypted, mainly because its difficult to be absolutely certain that station is what it is, especially in the WNY area with both countries possibly being the source.

I spent some time tonight and waited for the Morse ID to transmit, decoded it, and low and behold, it was WQIU431. With certainty, rather than an assumption, the Peace Bridge is now a Cap+ system, Site 1, CC 1, with 462.2000 being Ch 1/Rest. I have yet to see any TG's on it, just a lot of ARS, LRRP messages (the LRRP messages don't have the coordinates in it .)

Now, to get at least a TG to make it a legit submission (just going to call it ops so there's something there?)

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[ATCTech]

Should be moved to the New York state forum, nes pas?

 

[GTR8000]

Andy's post was definitely in the following thread when he posted it last night, now it's by itself, and yeah, probably on the wrong side of the border as well lol

Hospital Porters DMR (NF Ontario/NY or maybe towards the Buffalo area?)

I was down in the Falls yesterday and did some scanning and came across 452.5250 DMR CC 1 TG 901 which sounded like some type of hospital porters moving patients around between various points of a hospital. Nothing listed on either side of the border in the TAFL or FCC that would match although...

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[ATCTech]

No worries, I didn't notice it as a stand-alone post on the NY forum so I thought it might go unnoticed by our guys over the border.,

 

[mciupa]

I moved the hi-jacked post to a standalone thread. I have now reported it to the Senior Moderation staff to be moved to the New York Radio Discussion forum.

 

[GTR8000]

I moved the hi-jacked post to a standalone thread.

Ouch, calling it "hijacked" is a bit strong, as @mbstone99 (the OP of that thread) brought the Peace Bridge frequency up himself in the 4th post. @andyk62990 was just continuing the conversation after confirming the change to Cap+ a few months later.

Hospital Porters DMR (NF Ontario/NY or maybe towards the Buffalo area?)

I was down in the Falls yesterday and did some scanning and came across 452.5250 DMR CC 1 TG 901 which sounded like some type of hospital porters moving patients around between various points of a hospital. Nothing listed on either side of the border in the TAFL or FCC that would match although...

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[mciupa]

I thought it was fine in Ontario since Fort Erie shares the Authority. But if more eyes and ears are in the US for tracking, then this is the best forum for it.

If someone were to look at the original title (Hospital Porters DMR), they may have not persued looking at it. I felt the Bridge Authority was a better subject title. It deserves it's own thread, I believe.

 

[GTR8000]

I don't disagree, was just pointing out that mbstone99 "hijacked" his own thread a few months ago, Andy did not. It would be nice if there were a shared NY/Ontario forum, but that's obviously never going to happen lol. I suspect that some people who are in the area and are interested in cross-border signals flying through the air check both forums, although I further suspect that you guys north of the border pay more attention to NY than NY'ers pay attention to Ontario (that's a knock on us 'Muricans being in our own little world most times)

 

[KevinC]

I moved the hi-jacked post to a standalone thread. I have now reported it to the Senior Moderation staff to be moved to the New York Radio Discussion forum.

So you're saying I'm old????

 

[mciupa]

So you're saying I'm old????

I stand corrected you are Super!

But according to your signature you do remember when dirt was new, so.......

Dammit, now I'm a high-jacker!

 

[ak716]

So, gonna eat my words here. Peace Bridge I don't think is Cap+, I just think there are two DMR users on the same frequency bleeding over each other causing it to appear that way.

462.2000 TG 5000 Slot 1 CC 2 with EP, were all in agreement is the Peace Bridge. Further looking at DSD's info yesterday and this morning, on the TG 5000 transmissions, there's not Ch #'s listed as a Cap+ transmission would have. We/I was looking for something that wasn't there.

Now, the Cap+ that's coming in on 462.2000 is showing Cap+, Rest Ch 1, CC 1. Checking the FCC's database, WQTU367 & WNJX843 are both licensed to it as well, not far north from the Peace Bridge, in Niagara Co. Stumbling along the spectrum, I hit onto a weak Cap+ signal on 451.2250, CC 1, and got the license off the morse id, which was KFB201, and showing Ch 3 when it was the rest channel. Furthering that they are related, when 462.2000 stops being the rest, 451.2250 becomes the rest. So, logically, it would make sense that the Cap+ system that was found was Occidental Chemical Corp's and has nothing to do with the Peace Bridge, and, we were just making a mountain out of a mole hill and looking for dots to connect that really didn't. Another reason why I'm skeptical about submitting ENC things without real first hand knowledge.

So, I guess I'll make the submission to fix it back to the way it was unless anyone else has some knowledge or logic they want to share?

And, I have yet to see any TG's on the true Cap+ system, so that system submission I guess is still TBD until further research, maybe by someone closer to figure it out? I just think its strange that there are two users of the same frequency so close to each other and they are able to coexist.

 

[Saint]

This is what I have in Fort Erie Ont.

462.10000 GOOSETOWN/SAIA COMMUNICATIONS (CAPMAX) BUFFALO NY DMR TIER 3
462.12500 467.12500 FIRST STUDENT BUFFALO NY 110.9 PL FMN
462.15000 DEPEW SCHOOL DEPEW NY FMN
462.15000 SAIANET SITE 8 LEWISTON NY DMR
462.18750 UPS BUFFALO NY FMN
462.20000 467.20000 PEACE BRIDGE TOLL BOOTH OPERATIONS DMR MOTOROLA CAPACITY PLUS SINGLE SITE (TRBO) ENCRYPTED BUFFALO /FORT ERIE ONT CC 2|TG 1|SL 1 DMRE
462.22500 467.22500 SUNY UNIVERSITY AT BUFFALO FIRST TRANSIT UB SHUTTLES BUFFALO NY 125 DPL FMN
462.23750 ??? LPU
462.25000 ERIE COMMUNITY COLLEGE CAMPUS SITE 2 BUFFALO NY DMR