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Running Pro-106 w/v2.1 firmware.

Got a clone from Mark in Derby.

Seems to work OK except Augusta PD is garbled and infrequent.

Read this:
http://forums.radioreference.com/kansas-radio-discussion-forum/231443-problem-pro-106-a.html

and also did the tweaks here:
Easier to Read Pro-106/197/PSR500/600 Digital Scanner Manual

I used to live in ICT and am used to constant chatter in ICT PD. Is Augusta just quiet most of the time? Cant be.

Any help appreciated, will trade a good clone for lunch!

Greg
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I'm not sure but I think Augusta PD is encrypted. The last time I was through there I heard the same thing. It sounded like encryption to me.
 

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The database here does not list Augusta PD as being encyrpted... For what it's worth, nothing in Butler County is showing encrypted. Maybe they hit the "secure" button (or whatever it's called) on their radios. Can't help you much, as I don't live in the area.
 
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Butler County LAW is kind of strange on encryption. Some comms are encrypted all the time, some on certain shifts only, some only the field units are encrypted and dispatch is in the clear.

Almost all of the encryption is done at the radio level rather than the talkgroup level iin BU County. I think the only one that is group level encrypted is the PSAP talkgroup. I'm not sure sometimes if the encryption is intentional or they just forget to switch from secure to back to clear after talking the last time.

What's even worse, BU Emergency Management is almost always encrypted. I guess they think they need to keep the tornados top-secret.... :) I've even hear a Fireground Command encrypted!
 
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I wonder if there are thrill seekers with scanners masquerading as storm chasers getting in the way of emergency vehicles. It has been a problem in the past here in Reno County.

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Augusta doesn't encrypt their traffic. I believe they have the ability too, but I regularly hear all of their traffic. The only law enforcement agency in Butler County that uses encryption regularly is El Dorado. Dispatch is in the clear, but the officers are using encryption. I sometimes see encryption on Butler Law, but not as frequent as others. The Butler County PSAP talk group is always encrypted. EMA is encrypted most of the time.

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PSAPS over here are mostly in the Clear Heck i even hear One's from out in Hays talking and Last night I heard the K.A.N.G. Air Craft talk Group it was the first time for me, Kind of Cool to hear something different).

With this System you never when something new is going to pop up so you almost have to stay next to the radio as much as you can. Or miss it :roll: :twisted: Like i have more than a few times.. Ra
 
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PSAPS over here are mostly in the Clear Heck i even hear One's from out in Hays talking and Last night I heard the K.A.N.G. Air Craft talk Group it was the first time for me, Kind of Cool to hear something different).

With this System you never when something new is going to pop up so you almost have to stay next to the radio as much as you can. Or miss it :roll: :twisted: Like i have more than a few times.. Ra
You might be talking about the state interoperability talkgroups. Butler County has their own PSAP talkgroup. I have been working on identifying RIDs on the system, and even though the talk group is encrypted, I have seen traffic from Andover's PSAP, Augusta's PSAP, and the County PSAP.

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A mighty big gathering of Talk groups

I thought i'd add I've never Seen a County have so many Talk Groups) I thougt Butler was a small Co, but it must cover a Wide area.. WOW.! :eek:


Butler County Sheriff / Law Enforcement Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2281 8e9 D ButlerCo SO1 Butler County Sheriff -- Dispatch1 Law Dispatch
2282 8ea D ButlerCo SO2 Butler County Sheriff -- Dispatch 2 Law Tac
2283 8eb D ButlrCoSODet Butler County Sheriff -- Detectives Law Tac
2286 8ee D ButlrCoSOTac Butler County Sheriff -- Tactical Law Tac
2287 8ef D ButlerCoSOCt Butler County Sheriff -- Courts Law Talk
2268 8dc D BtlrCoLawAll Butler County Law Enforcement -- All Call Law Dispatch
2288 8f0 D ButlerCoLaw1 Butler County Law Enforcement -- Small Agency Dispatch Law Dispatch
2289 8f1 D ButlerCoLaw2 Butler County Law Enforcement -- Small Agency F-2 Law Tac
2292 8f4 D BtlrCoLawCar Butler County Law Enforcement -- Car-to-Car Law Talk
2291 8f3 D BtlrCoLawDet Butler County Law Enforcement -- Detectives Law Tac
2290 8f2 D BtlrCoLwAdmn Butler County Law Enforcement -- Administration Law Talk
2284 8ec D BtlrCoJailOp Butler County Jail -- Operations Corrections
2285 8ed D BtlrCoJailBk Butler County Jail -- Inbound and Booking Corrections

Butler County Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2269 8dd D Butler Co FD Butler County Fire Dispatch Fire Dispatch
2270 8de D BtlrCoFDEvt1 Butler County Fire -- Event 1 ( Large Incident Ops) Fire-Tac
2271 8df D BtlrCoFDEvt2 Butler County Fire -- Event 2 Fire-Tac
2272 8e0 D BtlrCoFDEvt3 Butler County Fire -- Event 3 Fire-Tac
2273 8e1 D BtlrCoFDEvt4 Butler County Fire -- Event 4 Fire-Tac
2274 8e2 D BtlrCoFDEvt5 Butler County Fire -- Event 5 Fire-Tac
2275 8e3 D BtlrCoFDEvt6 Butler County Fire -- Event 6 Fire-Tac
2276 8e4 D BtlrCoFDEvt7 Butler County Fire -- Event 7 Fire-Tac
2277 8e5 D BtlrCoFDEvt8 Butler County Fire -- Event 8 Fire-Tac
2279 8e7 D ButlerCo 911 Butler County 911 Emergency Emergency Ops
2425 979 D BtlrCoFD All Butler County Fire/EMS -- All Call (Announce) Emergency Ops
2293 8f5 D ButlerCo EMS Butler County EMS Dispatch EMS Dispatch
2294 8f6 D BtlrCoEMSDv1 Butler County EMS -- Division 1 Call Channel EMS-Tac
2295 8f7 D BtlrCoEMSDv2 Butler County EMS -- Division 2 Call Channel EMS-Tac
2298 8fa D BtlrCoEMSMtr Butler County EMS -- Metro Division (El Dorado) Call Channel EMS-Tac
2297 8f9 D BtlrCoEMSCar Butler County EMS -- Car-to-Car EMS-Tac
2296 8f8 D BtlrCoEMSAdm Butler County EMS -- Administration EMS-Talk
2299 8fb D AllenHosp ER Susan B. Allen Memorial Hospital Emergency Room -- Patient Reports Hospital
2300 8fc D KS MedCntrER Kansas Medical Center Emergency Room -- Patient Reports Hospital
2278 8e6 D ButlrCoEMOps Butler County Emergency Management -- Ops Emergency Ops
2302 8fe D BtlrCoDsast1 Butler County Emergency Management -- Disaster 1 Emergency Ops
2303 8ff D BtlrCoDsast2 Butler County Emergency Management -- Disaster 2 Emergency Ops
2301 8fd D ButlrCoEMAdm Butler County Emergency Management -- Adminstration Emergency Ops
2420 974 D ButlrCoEmerg Butler County Emergency Emergency Ops
2423 977 D BtlrCoOthrEm Butler County -- Other Emergency Emergency Ops
2266 8da D BtlrCoTrain1 Butler County Emergency Mangement -- Training 1 Emergency Ops
2267 8db D BtlrCoTrain2 Butler County Emergency Mangement -- Training 2 Emergency Ops
2280 8e8 D ButlerCoPSAP Butler County Public Safety Answering Point Law Dispatch
2418 972 D FlintHilsSRO Flint HIls Schools (Rosalia) -- School Resource Officers Schools
2458 99a D SchoolEvent School Events Schools
2304 900 D BtlrCoPWkAdm Butler County Public Works -- Administration Public Works
2305 901 D ButlrCoRoads Butler County Public Works -- Highways Public Works
2306 902 D BtlrCoPWJob1 Butler County Public Works -- Highways Job Site 1 Public Works
2307 903 D BtlrCoPWJob2 Butler County Public Works -- Highways Job Site 2 Public Works
2308 904 D BtlrCoPWJob3 Butler County Public Works -- Highways Job Site 3 Emergency Ops
2309 905 D BtlrCoPWJob4 Butler County Public Works -- Highways Job Site 4 Emergency Ops
2311 907 D BtlrCoPWMutl Butler County Public Works -- Mutual Aid Public Works
2426 97a D BtlrCoPW All Butler County Public Works -- All Call (Announce) Public Works
2310 906 D ButlerCoLdfl Butler County Landfill Public Works
2312 908 D ButlerCoBldg Butler County Building Inspections Public Works
2313 909 D ButlerCoWeed Butler County Noxious Weeds Public Works
2314 90a D BtlrCoHealth Butler County Health Department Public Works
2315 90b D ButlerCoTran Butler County Transportation Public Works
2316 90c D ButlrCoRadio Butler County Radio Shop Public Works
2424 978 D ButlerCo All Butler County All Call -- (Announce) Emergency Ops

Butler County -- El Dorado Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2340 924 D ElDorado PD1 El Dorado Police 1 -- Dispatch Law Dispatch
2341 925 D ElDorado PD2 El Dorado Police 2 Law Tac
2342 926 D ElDoradoPDSp El Dorado Police -- Special Operations Law Tac
2343 927 D ElDoradoPDDt El Dorado Police -- Detectives Law Tac
2344 928 D El Dorado FD El Dorado Fire Dispatch Fire Dispatch
2346 92a D ElDorado SRO El Dorado School Resource Officers Schools
2345 929 D ElDoradoPbWk El Dorado Public Works Public Works
2365 93d D BCCC Securty Butler County Community College -- Security Schools

Butler County -- Andover Talkgroups
Andover Fire is dispatched by Butler County on Talkgroup 2269

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2317 90d D Andover PD 1 Andover Police 1 Law Dispatch
2318 90e D Andover PD 2 Andover Police 2 Law Tac
2319 90f D AndoverPDDet Andover Police -- Detectives Law Tac
2320 910 D Andover Fire Andover Fire Operations Fire-Tac
2421 975 D AndoverEmerg Andover Emergency Emergency Ops
2322 912 D Andover SRO Andover School Resource Officers Schools
2460 99c D Andover Schl Andover School Buses Schools
2321 911 D AndoverPubWk Andover Public Works Public Works
2427 97b D AndovrStreet Andover Street Maintenance Public Works
2428 97c D AndoverSewer Andover Wastewater Public Works
2429 97d D AndoverBldng Andover Building Inspections Public Works
2430 97e D AndoverParks Andover Parks Public Works

Butler County -- Augusta Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2324 914 D Augusta PD 1 Augusta Police Dispatch Law Dispatch
2325 915 D Augusta PD 2 Augusta Police 2 Law Tac
2327 917 D AugustaPDDet Augusta Police -- Detectives Law Tac
2326 916 D Augusta FD Augusta Fire Fire Dispatch
2422 976 D Augusta Emer Augusta Emergency Emergency Ops
2329 919 D Augusta SRO Augusta School Resource Officers Schools
2328 918 D Augusta PW Augusta Public Works Public Works

Butler County -- Benton Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2330 91a D BentonPolice Benton Police Law Dispatch
2331 91b D BentonPD Det Benton Police -- Detectives Law Tac
2332 91c D Benton Fire Benton Fire Fire Dispatch
2333 91d D BentonPubEWk Benton Public Works Public Works

Butler County -- Cassoday Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2335 91f D Cassoday FD Cassoday Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2336 920 D CassodayPbWk Cassoday Public Works Public Works

Butler County -- Douglass Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2337 921 D DouglassFire Douglass Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2338 922 D Douglass SRO Douglass School Resource Officers Schools
2339 923 D DouglassPbWk Douglass Public Works Public Works

Butler County -- Leon Talkgroups
Leon Fire dispatched by Butler County on talkgroup 2269

Leon Police dispatched by Butler County on takgroup 2288

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2348 92c D Leon Police Leon Police Ops Law Tac
2349 92d D Leon PD Detc Leon Police -- Detectives Law Tac
2350 92e D LeonFire Ops Leon Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2351 92f D Leon Pub Wks Leon Public Works Public Works
2416 970 D Bluestem SRO Bluestem Schools -- School Resource Officers Schools

Butler County -- Potwin Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2352 930 D Potwin Fire Potwin Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2353 931 D PotwinPubWks Potwin Public Works Public Works

Butler County -- Rose Hill Talkgroups
Rose Hill Fire dispatched by Butler County on talkgroup 2269

Rose Hill Police dispatched by Butler County on takgroup 2288

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2355 933 D RoseHill PD Rose Hill Police Ops Law Tac
2356 934 D RoseHlPD Det Rose Hill Police -- Detectives Law Tac
2357 935 D Rose Hill FD Rose Hill Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2359 937 D RoseHlSchool Rose Hill Schools -- School Resource Officers Schools
2358 936 D RoseHlPubWks Rose Hill Public Works Public Works

Butler County -- Towanda Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2360 938 D Towanda Fire Towanda Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2361 939 D TowandaPubWk Towanda Public Works Public Works
2417 971 D Circle SRO Circle Schools -- School Resource Officers Schools

Butler County -- Whitewater Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2362 93a D WhitewaterFD Whitewater Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2363 93b D WhitewaterPW Whitewater Public Works Public Works
2419 973 D RemingtonSRO Remington Schools -- School Resource Officers Schools

Butler County -- Rural Fire Districts Talkgroups

DEC HEX Mode Alpha Tag Description Tag
2323 913 D Atlanta Fire Atlanta Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2334 91e D Burns Fire Burns Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2347 92b D Latham Fire Latham Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2354 932 D RosaliaFire Rosalia Fire Ops Fire-Tac
2364 93c D RefineryFire Refinery Fire Ops Fire-Tac
 

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Butler County LAW is kind of strange on encryption. Some comms are encrypted all the time, some on certain shifts only, some only the field units are encrypted and dispatch is in the clear.

Almost all of the encryption is done at the radio level rather than the talkgroup level iin BU County. I think the only one that is group level encrypted is the PSAP talkgroup. I'm not sure sometimes if the encryption is intentional or they just forget to switch from secure to back to clear after talking the last time.

What's even worse, BU Emergency Management is almost always encrypted. I guess they think they need to keep the tornados top-secret.... :) I've even hear a Fireground Command encrypted!

My e-mail to the emergency operations director on encryption, and his response.

Jim,

I am a scanner listener and was wondering if radio traffic on talk group 2301 of the Kansas Digital system is your departments?

If it is, I am wondering why it is always encrypted and the general public cant hear it?

The talk group seems to be most active during weather events like tonight 9/25/2012. Personally I cant believe that any information being broadcast by your department at these times would compromise your department or personnel safety, and would warrant encryption.



If the talk group 2301 is not your departments I apologize but would appreciate it if you would point me to the right person to contact. If this is your talk group I would like to ask that you consider turning off the encryption on your transmitters. Either way I would appreciate a response on my questions.



Thank you for your time.

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Ron;

I have no idea what numbers our talk groups might be on a scanner, all of our talk groups have names in our radios so someone with more digital radio savvy would have to answer that. What I can tell you is we do not run encryption on our “EMA OPS” talk group which is our weather operations talk group. We are active there as I type this due to the severe thunderstorm warning currently ongoing so whatever number that shows up as is where you want to listen for weather ops. Now that said we do have an administrative talk group as do other emergency services that is dedicated to “administrative” traffic and it is encrypted at all times however it’s not used for emergency situations, only when we have administrative traffic with staff or other officials do we use it. Have you talked to Mark over at the radio shack store in Derby? He seems to have the best grasp of what is what on the digital side of things. Other than him I would have to say someone over at MRS radio service in Wichita (they do our system maintenance) or someone at KDOT since they are the ones who set all the talk groups up when we built the system. Hope this helps. If you want us to help check what number you scanner sees for OPS just call us here at the office and if we are not busy on the radio system we can do a radio check and see what your scanner shows for a talk group number.

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Running Pro-106 w/v2.1 firmware.

Got a clone from Mark in Derby.

Seems to work OK except Augusta PD is garbled and infrequent.

Read this:
http://forums.radioreference.com/kansas-radio-discussion-forum/231443-problem-pro-106-a.html

and also did the tweaks here:
Easier to Read Pro-106/197/PSR500/600 Digital Scanner Manual

I used to live in ICT and am used to constant chatter in ICT PD. Is Augusta just quiet most of the time? Cant be.

Any help appreciated, will trade a good clone for lunch!

Greg
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Greg,

I hear Augusta all the time on my 106. I have my scanner set up for Butler simulcast and Wichita. I would be happy to share a clone or win500 file.

Ron
 

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Pro 106 doesn't display the UID. If you did have that information then that Ron guy could find out who is using that TGID quite easily.
 
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