Can anyone recommend a 2m 70cm to use in an apartment

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davidvnyc

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Hi

I live in a city apartment. What kind of antenna can I use for 2m and 70cm in an apartment?

If I can't do dual bands with an indoor antenna. I'll settle for either band.

I don't have my TC license yet and I will not transmit. I want some recommendations so I can research them and buy when I am ready.

Thanks a bunch.
 

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From your user id, I assume you are in the big apple. As a former apartment dweller and ocassional beach condo dweller, so of this depends on what you are allowed to do and are willing to put up with.

As a bachelor, I had a comet GP-15 leaned against the window, a bit unwieldly, however. There are smaller, similar antennas in the comet GP series (or similar units by others) that can lean or sit in a window sill. Note emphasis on near window, which can be important in big buildings.

A simple and effect antenna many have used is a magmount mobile on a file cabinet or pie pan in a window. Ugly, but it works well. Something like the classic larsen 2/70 series, which is a 1/2 wave on vhf is great. Not too tall, but the base coil design makes up for lack of a great ground plane (ie can function without it but with reduced gain). Many antenna manufactures have their own version of a 2m/70cm antenna that is 1/2 wavelength on 2m, and they all are similar in height, have some type of coil in the middle and a coil at the base. The tram/browning 1180 is inexpensive, but IMHO effective copy.

Regards,

JB

PS whenever you do transmit, mind good safe indoor rf limits; avoid the temptation to crank 50 watts out on vhf/uhf into an antenna with you in the room.
 

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Hi

I live in a city apartment. What kind of antenna can I use for 2m and 70cm in an apartment?

If I can't do dual bands with an indoor antenna. I'll settle for either band.

I don't have my TC license yet and I will not transmit. I want some recommendations so I can research them and buy when I am ready.

Thanks a bunch.

Lookup Nelson_Antennas on eBay, He has a roll up antenna that works great in an apartment. I use it. You can order it with a BNC or SMA Connector.

DELUXE MODEL ROLL UP 2M/70CM ROLL UP J-POLE/SLIM JIM ANTENNA WITH 10FT COAX
 

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One pair of antennas I use are actually on the top of my frig. One Uhf quarter wave maxrad and a quarter wave for vhf for transmitting. 50 watts routinely since the radios have no high/ low rf switch. There's a myriad of ideas out there on the net for indoor antennas. Your frig, the air conditioner, file cabinets, balconys, etc. :). 73, n9zas
 

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I appreciate the replies and suggestions from all here. The mag mount antenna and the Nelson antenna looks like two good choices.

@ kb5udf

You mentioned not to use over 50 watts transmitting when indoors. I'm not sure how to do this?

I am going to start with the baofeng series radios. The transmit watts is between 1 to 8w watts depending on model.

BTW, If I use a mag mount or nelson antenna does it amplify the transmit wattage of the radio or does the antenna uses the radio's maximum wattage?

I want to be sure and not go over 50 watts.

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I use two commercial kenwood mobile radios connected to indoor antennas, one transmits at 50 watts on vhf & the other at about 40 watts on uhf, so no health hazards or problems at all. I don't glow in the dark either. :wink: 73, n9zas
 

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I use two commercial kenwood mobile radios connected to indoor antennas, one transmits at 50 watts on vhf & the other at about 40 watts on uhf, so no health hazards or problems at all. I don't glow in the dark either. :wink: 73, n9zas

That's really cool :)

If I pass the technician class test, I will start small with a hand-held of 5 ~ 8 watts max.

Right now, I am a dummy to all this radio stuff and don't understand to much about radios, antennas, RF safety and regulations, etc.

Hopefully, if I pass my technician class test, this will become clearer to me.

Thanks gewecke for your input ;)
 

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Don't worry about exceeding 50 watts. The antennas use energy from the radio. While many antennas have a higher effective radiated power (ERP) - the way a yagi "magnifies" the radiated power - it is still only the radio's RF that enters the antenna. The comment regarding not exceeding - or even equaling - 50 watts refers to many base station radios that can generate 50, 100 or even 200 watts of power. These radios, when used with an indoor antenna, must have the power restricted for your own safety. But, again, using the HT typically won't be a problem as long as you maintain some distance between you and the antenna.
 

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That's really cool :)

If I pass the technician class test, I will start small with a hand-held of 5 ~ 8 watts max.

Right now, I am a dummy to all this radio stuff and don't understand to much about radios, antennas, RF safety and regulations, etc.

Hopefully, if I pass my technician class test, this will become clearer to me.

Thanks gewecke for your input ;)

Good Luck studying for your test, you will gain valuable knowledge as you study for the exam.
There are a few test sites where you can take the test to see how you are progressing and when you are 95 % correct you will be ready to take the FCC exam. KD1UA V.E.
 

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I tried one of the Nelson antennas and now use a roll up slim jim antenna from N9TAX, also available on eBay for about the same price. The difference is that N9TAX makes a version that uses 450 ohm ladder line rather than the thinner ladder line used by Nelson (he also does the same thin ladder line style antenna). I've never scientifically measured the two side by side, but I can say that I can hit more repeaters and hear better with the N9TAX version.

A slim jim has a different radiation pattern than a quarter wave, half wave or j-pole antenna, with a lower takeoff angle. The result is that more of your signal gets out lower Vs the other antenna types that sends more of it up into the clouds. That's the reason slim jim antennas are usually described as having more gain. They don't really have more gain, they just give you more usable signal where it's needed. You should consider your specific situation, however, before deciding on what type of antenna to buy. A quarter wave, half wave, slim jim, and j-pole each have different takeoff angles. Depending on where the repeaters are that you want to use, each type will give different results. Here are a few websites with information on antenna type comparisons (i.e. quarter wave, half wave, j-pole, slim jim...):

SLIM JIM ANTENNA PROJECT
Improving the Super J-Pole Antenna
Slim Jim vs J-Pole Antennas | KB9VBR J-Pole Antennas
Slim Jim vs. Traditional J-pole Antenna

These websites are a pretty decent starting point to do your own research on antennas so you can learn what might be best for your particular situation.

So, having given you some information to give you a starting point, perhaps the best suggestion before spending ANY money on an antenna is: do your own testing. If you can borrow one of each type of antenna from ham friends (check with your local club, too) you can do your own testing to see what works best in your QTH (location).

Also, you asked about antennas for use in an apartment, but you didn't say how you planned to use the radio. Are you planning just local use to another close by ham with a HT (handheld radio)? If so, using a simplex frequency and a small antenna on your HT might be enough, i.e. you may not even need to spend money for an external antenna. If you are planning to use local repeaters that are close to you, the same applies. My suggestion is to try the stock antenna first, then decide if you need/want an external antenna. Note that the stock "rubber duckie" style antennas that come with most HTs are poor performers compared with many other antennas. Read some reviews on eham.net to get a good idea of the feedback from other hams on various different antennas. BTW, eham.net is a REALLY good resource for ham equipment reviews, and lots of other ham related information. If you search the internet, you will find lots of well done (as well as crappy :)) scientific reviews and comparisons of various antennas.

Note that you should not have to "settle" for a single band antenna. There are lots of very good dual-band antennas. However, once again, do your own research before deciding. If the only repeaters you can reach from your apartment are 2 meter, then a single band 2 meter antenna may give you more gain than a dual-band 2/440 antenna.

I know I threw a lot of information at you. However, you described yourself as: "Right now, I am a dummy to all this radio stuff". We ALL started as dummies to radio stuff. IMHO, the best way to not be a dummy about antennas (or any other subject) is to learn, rather than just have someone tell you which one to buy. Hopefully, I have given you a starting point down that path.

73 - David, AG4F
 

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Don't worry about exceeding 50 watts. The antennas use energy from the radio. While many antennas have a higher effective radiated power (ERP) - the way a yagi "magnifies" the radiated power - it is still only the radio's RF that enters the antenna. The comment regarding not exceeding - or even equaling - 50 watts refers to many base station radios that can generate 50, 100 or even 200 watts of power. These radios, when used with an indoor antenna, must have the power restricted for your own safety. But, again, using the HT typically won't be a problem as long as you maintain some distance between you and the antenna.

I don't think I will ever get a mobile base station because I live in an apartment. Mobile base stations are good for folks that live in homes with a garage and available space to setup a antenna on their property. Home users have better options than apartment dwellers. :)

Good Luck studying for your test, you will gain valuable knowledge as you study for the exam.
There are a few test sites where you can take the test to see how you are progressing and when you are 95 % correct you will be ready to take the FCC exam. KD1UA V.E.

Thanks for the encouragement. I believe I will pass as well. Must be positive. I am using HamTestOnline as my online studying guide. They also have practice tests as well. Thanks again

SLIM JIM ANTENNA PROJECT
Improving the Super J-Pole Antenna
Slim Jim vs J-Pole Antennas | KB9VBR J-Pole Antennas
Slim Jim vs. Traditional J-pole Antenna

These websites are a pretty decent starting point to do your own research on antennas so you can learn what might be best for your particular situation.

Also, you asked about antennas for use in an apartment, but you didn't say how you planned to use the radio. Are you planning just local use to another close by ham with a HT (handheld radio)? If so, using a simplex frequency and a small antenna on your HT might be enough, i.e. you may not even need to spend money for an external antenna. If you are planning to use local repeaters that are close to you, the same applies. My suggestion is to try the stock antenna first, then decide if you need/want an external antenna. Note that the stock "rubber duckie" style antennas that come with most HTs are poor performers compared with many other antennas. Read some reviews on eham.net to get a good idea of the feedback from other hams on various different antennas. BTW, eham.net is a REALLY good resource for ham equipment reviews, and lots of other ham related information. If you search the internet, you will find lots of well done (as well as crappy :)) scientific reviews and comparisons of various antennas.

Note that you should not have to "settle" for a single band antenna. There are lots of very good dual-band antennas. However, once again, do your own research before deciding. If the only repeaters you can reach from your apartment are 2 meter, then a single band 2 meter antenna may give you more gain than a dual-band 2/440 antenna.

I know I threw a lot of information at you. However, you described yourself as: "Right now, I am a dummy to all this radio stuff". We ALL started as dummies to radio stuff. IMHO, the best way to not be a dummy about antennas (or any other subject) is to learn, rather than just have someone tell you which one to buy. Hopefully, I have given you a starting point down that path.

73 - David, AG4F

I will be using a baofeng type HT and mostly for local stuff and maybe connect to some repeaters as well.

When you live in an apartment, the options for antenna types and location placement is very limited.

I will read those links that you provided and learn a little more about them. Thanks
 
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