BCD325P2/BCD996P2: can I access Encoded freq. ?

[auto5starz]

I just got my new BCD996P2 & have up loaded a fair amount of info from here on RR.com.
I am in Surprise AZ/Maricopa County & the Surprise Pd is on Regional Wireless Cooperative (RWC)
Project 25 Phase I and has 7 DEC talk groups, 2 Digital & 5 Encrypted. (See Below)
I am getting a small amount of transmissions on the 4301 D SurpPD Disp Dispatch Law Dispatch channel but Nothing else on the others!
Will this scanner be able to get any of the other encrypted channels?
Or does any one have other freq. loading info so that I can Load it manually?

Bruce



System Name:
Regional Wireless Cooperative (RWC)

Location:
Phoenix, AZ

County:
3 counties

System Type:
Project 25 Phase I

System Voice:
APCO-25 Common Air Interface Exclusive


4301 D SurpPD Disp Dispatch Law Dispatch
4302 E SurpPD Info Info Law Tac
4303 E SurpPD Super Supervisor Law Tac
4304 E SurpPD Talk Talk Law Talk
4305 E SurpPD Event Event Law Tac
4306 D Surp Citywid Citywide Multi-Tac
4307 E SurpPD Ops1 Ops 1 Law Tac

 

[mrlindstrom]

No scanner is going to decrypt encrypted talkgroups. Sometimes you can get lucky, and for one reason or another, someone will transmit on those talkgroups unencrypted (but don't hold your breath).

 

[auto5starz]

SO ALL dispatch, what little I'm getting is it?
I seems there would at least be a bit more traffic!
Plus what little I'm getting sound like its breaking up a lot & only getting partial word most of the time !, almost like the squelch is cutting it out
Can this be adjusted?

Bruce

 

[kmi8dy]

you can buy, depending on the type of encryption, stand alone decrypters, but these are older mostly obsolete and not used today. todays encryption is computer controlled and most of them can be changed in a moments notice and with completly endless combinations.

 

[auto5starz]

OK, What about the cutting out partial word most of the time !, almost like the squelch is cutting it out
Can this be adjusted?

I'm also from Mich! Ann Arbor to be exact.

 

[W8RMH]

You are probably experiencing Simulcast digital distortion - The RadioReference Wiki

 

[kayn1n32008]

you can buy, depending on the type of encryption, stand alone decrypters, but these are older mostly obsolete and not used today. todays encryption is computer controlled and most of them can be changed in a moments notice and with completly endless combinations.

The RWC is a P25 phase 1 system. They will be using either DES or AES encryption, there are no 'standalone decrypters' for either of these encryption algorithms.

It takes more than a moments notice to change keys and there is a limit on the number of potential keys... There is just a massive number of them.

 

[kayn1n32008]

I just got my new BCD996P2 & have up loaded a fair amount of info from here on RR.com.

I am in Surprise AZ/Maricopa County & the Surprise Pd is on Regional Wireless Cooperative (RWC)

Project 25 Phase I and has 7 DEC talk groups, 2 Digital & 5 Encrypted. (See Below)

I am getting a small amount of transmissions on the 4301 D SurpPD Disp Dispatch Law Dispatch channel but Nothing else on the others!

Will this scanner be able to get any of the other encrypted channels?

Or does any one have other freq. loading info so that I can Load it manually?



Bruce







System Name:

Regional Wireless Cooperative (RWC)



Location:

Phoenix, AZ



County:

3 counties



System Type:

Project 25 Phase I



System Voice:

APCO-25 Common Air Interface Exclusive





4301 D SurpPD Disp Dispatch Law Dispatch

4302 E SurpPD Info Info Law Tac

4303 E SurpPD Super Supervisor Law Tac

4304 E SurpPD Talk Talk Law Talk

4305 E SurpPD Event Event Law Tac

4306 D Surp Citywid Citywide Multi-Tac

4307 E SurpPD Ops1 Ops 1 Law Tac

You will only be able to listen to TG-4301. The others appear to be encrypted. Your scanner will not decrypt the encrypted talkgroups.

 

[auto5starz]

is that the phase II ?

 

[kayn1n32008]

is that the phase II ?

Huh? What do you mean?

 

[auto5starz]

The BCD996P2 is P25 phase I & phase II

 

[kmi8dy]

kayn1n32008,
well i dont know what to tell ya, but.
when i was in the navy, we had hundreds of keys available to us on one console alone and we changed keys frequently. depending on what they were used for they could range from 32 to 156 charecters.

 

[kayn1n32008]

The BCD996P2 is P25 phase I & phase II

It still won't allow you to d crypt encrypted talkgroups.

 

[Voyager]

Not to mention decryption is illegal in the USA...

 

[darunimal]

Maricopa County Trunking System, Maricopa County, Arizona - Scanner Frequencies System Type: Motorola Smarnet II
Regional Wireless Cooperative (RWC) Trunking System, Phoenix, Arizona - Scanner Frequencies System Type: Project 25 Phase I
System Voice: APCO-25 Common Air Interface Exclusive

http://forums.radioreference.com/arizona-radio-discussion-forum/280940-scanner-worth-investment.html

 

[kmi8dy]

OK, What about the cutting out partial word most of the time !, almost like the squelch is cutting it out
Can this be adjusted?

I'm also from Mich! Ann Arbor to be exact.

RR says to program site 001, 002, 009 in seperate sites then pick the one that works best. thers a small paragraph under the picture of a book they got info from on the rr phoenix pages


im from the owosso area,i go down to the va in ann arbor several times a year.

 

[kmi8dy]

are you sure there on p25 phase 1 ?? i think you might try motorola type ll smart zone and try that too.

 

[cellphone]

This might be better addressed in the AZ forum.

Surprise PD is on the RWC. Many years ago Surprise PD had conventional freqs and talkgroups on the Maricopa County system, but these are no longer used. The RWC is a P25 Phase 1 system currently, but they are upgrading infrastructure to Phase 2. No Phase 2 talkgroups are in use yet.

Surprise PD dispatch and routine radio traffic is on talkgroup 4301. This talkgroup is in the clear. Talkgroup 4306 is also in the clear and used for wide area communications. Talkgroup 4306 is very rarely used. All other Surprise PD talkgroups are encrypted and are used for info, hot calls, and criminal investigation.

Be sure you are scanning the proper sites as these talkgroups are not carried on all sites. All Surprise PD talkgroups are always carried on Simulcast G site. 4301 is often carried on White Tanks site, but not always. Talkgroups may pop up on other sites, but only if radios are roaming affiliated with the other sites.

Regional Wireless Cooperative (RWC) Trunking System, Phoenix, Arizona - Scanner Frequencies