carlt
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I have noticed this week that the dispatcher & units are now referring to "sector" something, instead of "beat" something. Does anyone know the reason and/or have any info on the areas that make up the "sectors"?
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"Border" (Division) has nothing to do with beats / sectors.
KJ6ZNS
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I also noticed the same thing on Saturday morning, the dispatcher asking "Is there any sector 1 unit to check..." something on Fwy 54. I thought it was just a new dispatcher (had not heard him before). I didn't get a chance to listen much more, and it was a slow at the time so I didn't hear anything else. I'll keep listening and report back.
carlt
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Unfortunately I don't listen to them for hours on end. But during the same "drive time" I have heard different calls with reference to "sector" something on one call, and the next call to "beat" something. And, I have only heard this on Orange, not RCS/Gold.
FUZZBUSTER
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Hijack,sorry
Ihave been trying to find out what Color code division the CHP is, and what frec. they are running on up here in Ramona, and the Hwy 67 and 78 stretch...any help, Thanks Joey for your Input, but Just wondering if anybody else has some more news..My base is the RS #20-176 104-1300mHz, but it might not go down far enough into VHF/hi-low or UHF, would hate to get a differnt base antenna, and I have the RS 800 duckie, and the stock 396xt antenna that came with it, Am I needing a differnt tenna to get them up here on the hill, I see car pulled over all over the place So I would think they would be very Chatty up here...
Ihave been trying to find out what Color code division the CHP is, and what frec. they are running on up here in Ramona, and the Hwy 67 and 78 stretch...any help, Thanks Joey for your Input, but Just wondering if anybody else has some more news..My base is the RS #20-176 104-1300mHz, but it might not go down far enough into VHF/hi-low or UHF, would hate to get a differnt base antenna, and I have the RS 800 duckie, and the stock 396xt antenna that came with it, Am I needing a differnt tenna to get them up here on the hill, I see car pulled over all over the place So I would think they would be very Chatty up here...
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Ramona is served by the El Cajon office, which operates on the RCS.
They use CHP Gold 1 as their backup system.
They use CHP Gold 1 as their backup system.
a lot of the stops in the hills like that dont really have much traffic. most stops are just reported as to 10-20 but dont always have a license ran so not much radio traffic. but yeah the elcajon office runs off the south zone. so if your in ramona you may not get the south zone very easily. maybe able to hear them through the east zone. but if im not mistaking they have a repeater in that area or even another rcs site that you may need to hear that portion of the chp. not too sure on that. im in el cajon and can get them on both the east and south zones.
Ok it just clicked. So if your hearing the chp on the rcs then yourone of the ramona units is almost always 108sandiego92 so if you here that unit designator then you are hearing ramona. But those units cover a large area any where from before ramona all the way santa isabel . So they might not only be in ramona
carlt
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I don't normally listed to Border TAN, but have noticed the last several days that they have been on BLUE1. Are they having problems on TAN, or getting the upgrade, or . . . ?
The CHP has two different types of beats, highway beats and area beats. Highway beats are linear as they cover lengths of a state maintained highway. Area beats cover larger areas of different sizes and shapes and cover all the roads open to the public. These are roads maintained by county, municipal or special districts entities. Even though counties and municipalities have law enforcement agencies the CHP still retains jurisdiction over them. Roads on National Forest lands are under CHP jurisdiction, but many accidents on them are investigated by the Forest Service as liabilities might be incurred as the road was constructed and maintained by the Forest Service. Same holds true on BLM lands. National Park units differ depending on the unit and the jurisdiction given it by the Congress. Adding to the confusion is that local areas, at least one per county, are served by "area offices."
I wonder if "sectors" are groups of beats, be they highway or area. The only agency I recall using the term sector officially in their agency structure is the Border Patrol. I'm sure there are others, but I don't remember one.
I wonder if "sectors" are groups of beats, be they highway or area. The only agency I recall using the term sector officially in their agency structure is the Border Patrol. I'm sure there are others, but I don't remember one.
scottyhetzel
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Don't forget the CHP handles all traffic enforcement (radar-lazer) and accident reports in unicorporated areas of each county. Just to add to the confusion...
Thanks Scotty! I was thinking the very same thing when I was looking for my map of the CHP beats in Mono County. When I found the map and then started typing I promptly forgot. I know that on National Forest system roads we could have told the CHP to get lost, but we actually welcomed their help. The issue of jurisdiction never came up as it should not have.
Actually it came up twice. I was enroute to a large hot spring that is heavily used by visitors. An earthquake occurred at a shallow depth directly under the area early one morning during a heavy snowstorm. I went into work early, put my skis in the truck and drove down to 395. When I got there the road was closed and a CHP officer was working the roadblock. He told me I could not proceed and asked why I needed to pass. When I told him he looked at me like I was crazy to be out alone on skis in the circumstances. I knew I had to get to the springs before any visitor to make sure they would not be harmed. He told me if I passed he would have to arrest me. I pointed out that this section of 395 was located on National Forest lands and the State of California had an easement from the USFS that states the use and maintenance of the highway cannot interfere with the purposes of National Forest land. I pointed out that I was doing my job and that impeding me amounted to interfering with a federal officer along with mention of the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution. I told him I could call up one of our LEO's to arrest him for that. He let me proceed!
I had to have a similar discussion on a fire much later. I pointed out that they could not unilaterally open 395 through the fire area because the incident commander said no. They were discussing this among themselves and sheriff's deputies. I think they were actually going to do it, before I caught wind of it and interceded. I went through the explanation very objectively and pointed out to them that federal law requires them to be under the authority of the IC. After the dust cleared and a month passed I picked up through the grapevine that the CHP was very upset with me. A sheriff's deputy came after me like I had knowingly harassed the CHP and didn't have the right to question them. Sorry, there was no diplomatic way to point out the truth.
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scottyhetzel
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Great stories... I love it. Were you in the Fed. vehicle or POV (personal owned veh.) ? ? Also I understand a decade back there was mandatory classes the CHP had to take for basic crime fighting, this way they could handle a call in a rural area until the local sheriff arrived. I also believe their is some mutual aid agreements in effect to liabilities don't come into play.
I would never place myself in that position in a POV. I was in my green rig, as we called our vehicles in the Forest Service. Although our exchange at the roadblock sounded very serious and confrontational it was not. Both of us were professional throughout while coming to an understanding.
The CHP is more critical in rural areas as they are often the first officer on scene and first to go through the door for domestic violence. They are good members of the public service community up here. I had a couple of other contacts with their officers that were not professional, both me Forest Service you off duty type contacts. It is said that physicians are the worst patients and these both of these contacts followed a similar path.
When I arrive on scene of accidents and disabled cars and call for CHP, their response time, professionalism and courtesy are first rate. In some of the small towns they become good members of the community and some stay for a long time. My neighbor when I lived in Bridgeport stayed about 20 years and retired in the home he built there. Many others transfer out as they are adrenaline junkies and want more action, especially those at the resident posts in Mammoth, mostly due to the high cost of living.
Getting back on point, I read through a number of links resulting from a search of "CHP sectors" and didn't come up with anything. I hope someone can shed light on this.
KJ6ZNS
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Here is what I have been able to determine about 'sectors' in San Diego, NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL, just what I have been able to figure out.
Sector 1 appears to be just north of freeway 94 south to the Mexican border.
Sector 2 is just north of 94 to just north of I8.
Sector 3 is just north of I8 to the northern border of the San Diego (87) coverage area.
East / West is from the ocean to the eastern border of the San Diego (87) coverage area.
Since patrol units are all over the place, and may be doing anything at any time, it appears that the sector designation is used as an all units alert to something in the general area that needs attention. Something like "Attention sector 3 units, 11-83 NB 15 at Miramar. Any unit to respond?" Maybe this is helping with coverage of calls by getting any unit in the area to respond, instead of assigning the call to the beat unit, that may be at the other end of the sector.
Any else have any ideas?
Sector 1 appears to be just north of freeway 94 south to the Mexican border.
Sector 2 is just north of 94 to just north of I8.
Sector 3 is just north of I8 to the northern border of the San Diego (87) coverage area.
East / West is from the ocean to the eastern border of the San Diego (87) coverage area.
Since patrol units are all over the place, and may be doing anything at any time, it appears that the sector designation is used as an all units alert to something in the general area that needs attention. Something like "Attention sector 3 units, 11-83 NB 15 at Miramar. Any unit to respond?" Maybe this is helping with coverage of calls by getting any unit in the area to respond, instead of assigning the call to the beat unit, that may be at the other end of the sector.
Any else have any ideas?
carlt
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KJ6ZNS
That looks like what I have been able to figure out as well. The beat # is still referred to as a more precise location description, when requested.
That looks like what I have been able to figure out as well. The beat # is still referred to as a more precise location description, when requested.
just curious. im in el cajon and can hear the chp rcs stuff clear as day but there conventionals are either static or non existant. is there anything other than typing in the frequency i can do. i turned off the att on orange-1 and hear alot when im in the valley of el cajon but one on the crest mountain goes quiet. and i never hear the gold/tan/blue1. can some one give me ideas or what freq i would need to hear chp in elcajon other than the rcs.
carlt
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GOLD is not generally used, except on channel 2 for car2car, or when it is patched to RCS for eastern radio issues. I travel between Spring Valley & Miramar every weekday, and get ORANGE quite well. If I have it turned on, I can still get TAN, and BLUE1 is not regularly used. I have not been in the Crest area for sometime, so I can't tell you about that area with my setup. Maybe your antenna and/or type of radio?
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