Bob I can repeat the question since you seem to be interpreting it incorrectly
....while you are at it why not quote all of the exact LEO repeater tones and locations from that Region 5 Frequency Guide??
All of the LEO repeater site locations.
What tone (symbol is fine) each LEO repeater location is using.
Pretty simple ask but you instead link to R-R.com pages that do not validate any of your claims about LEO repeaters or you reproduce what is already published. You have made a lot of statements about LEO repeaters being in odd locations so now is your opportunity to scan and share the pages of the Region 5 Frequency Guide that will back up your claims.
As I said, only 3 LEO repeaters in use by only CNF LEOs have been heard and the tones are verified. You claim other locations so where's the proof? In message 195 you claimed there were LEO Repeaters on both Strawberry Peak and Elsinore Peak. What are the assigned tones in that Frequency Guide? Elsinore Peak and Strawberry Peak have the same standard input tone of 131.8 Hz so how could you have a R5 LEO repeater on both peaks with the same frequency pair and PL tones? A LEO officer could easily key both of them up at the same time from numerous locations. Your claims are mistaken OR the LEO Repeaters on Elsinore and Strawberry are using non-standard tones. Which is it?.
NOTE: LEOs do not stick to blacktop. I see them all the time on jeep trails in CNF, ANF, and SBNF. They look for illegal target shooting, illegal campfires, illegal off-roading and illegal hunting.
So if you read nothing else, care about nothing else or get upset by my questions here are the basics repeated for you:
Please scan the pages showing all of the LEO repeater site locations and access tones.
best regards,
Jim
Orange County, CA[/size]
[size=+2]You know Jim,
You and others lose the benefit of someone with knowledge and access by your own actions. Your combined arrogance and desire to be abusive and dismissive to me all the time show that you are simply internet bullies. For OPSEC reasons I will not tell you the exact locations of LEO repeaters. Until I told you the location of the various Forest Service repeaters you didn't even know them. Put two and two together.
There is so much you don't know, such as that FICC is located in San Bernardino and dispatches for BLM, Joshua Tree, BDF, CNF, Mojave, Southern California Indian Affairs, Santa Rosa and San Jacinto. Have you taken the tour of the Dispatch Center that they offer? As a ham I'm sure you'd find that quite enlightening. You might even get to meet Special Agent St. John.
You seem to think that LEO's only stay on one frequency and you are considerably mistaken. They generally come up on Admin when they run plates. They have THREE main frequencies and several discrete frequencies that you will not find published. You will also find them on BLM. They are dispatched out of FEDCOM who dispatches for all the other agencies. They are also frequently on simplex. I regret that I only share certain information with friends. You're certainly welcome to visit CNF dispatch at FICC in San Bernardino on Tippecanoe.
One thing that you should note is that the LEO units are not restricted to a particular mountain. They travel based on need. San Bernardino units in fact frequently go to CNF and ANF. We go to other areas as well but to save space won't go into them.
As allend noted I have quite an expansive antenna system using commercial antennas and hard-line connected to Motorola's or Vertex. Much better than a scanner. They surely beat your discone. I can hear a flea fart in San Diego. My comment about your discone is not intended to be an insult but to show the obvious that you're trying to compare apples to oranges of what you can hear versus what I can hear. I do not need to justify or prove to you or anyone else what I can hear.
I went as far as mentioning the fact that they [can] use simulcast. Usually they operate in manual select mode. I just happened to be listening while writing my prior message as I heard the wah-wah-wah sound of two repeaters out of phase. It's called voted linking. You may have multiple repeater sites operating in simulcast mode with the same tone and the voters select the receiver with the best signal to noise ratio. The LEO's select the tone to a repeater and as I previously said, Santiago has two tones. You didn't know that until I provided it to you.
Your guess as to what is referred to as Mountain Homes are incorrect. That antenna site is called Idyllwild (Thomas Mtn.p) and is on Rocky Point. The Pine Cove site has a commercial name of Ranger. You can look the lat / long up yourself. CAL FIRE is not [just] on Thomas Mountain. RRU 1 dispatches from 6 different sites. In your comments you wrote:
This site contains many forms of communications ranging from Telephone to Cable TV spread over several acres. This site provides*
excellent communication range towards the North, West and South. Points include Santa Monica to San Diego and points in between.
This shows that you completely misunderstand how the Forest Service communication system works. They do not want long-range radio sites. They use unity gain or 3 dB gain half wave ground planes so that their signals drop down into the canyons. They could really give a rat's butt about being able to talk to San Diego from Idyllwild. This is specifically why they have multiple radio sites and multiple tones. Some sites have more than one tone.
I have shown you more information than this site provides. Yet you demand more and specifically you demand proof. Neither are going to happen at this point. I'm not your Whipping Boy and I'm not here to be abused by you. You can insult me all you want and instead of learning something you're going to miss out. You would find that I can be quite helpful if you were not challenging anything and everything that I write regardless of my experience. It seems that if it doesn't match your preconceived ideas it's automatically wrong.
Up here we have a large contingency of Victor units as well as OHV units. I did not say that LEO's "never" leave the blacktop. However, it is primarily the OHV and Victor units that go from one site post to another and issue citations. There is an
underwhelming number of actual LEO units available. They leave the blacktop when there are situations that may involve weapons, violence or crimes in progress.
Let me choose this opportunity to fill you in on the three level of officers for the national forest and this is not exclusive to the San Bernardino's. We have LEO's that handle calls that may involve crimes, and Fire Prevention Officers known as FPO's that are frequently embedded with OHV's. They are specifically authorized to issue citations for illegal campfires, illegal campsites, ETC. LEO's are not generally sent on these types of calls. Finally, we have Fire Protection Officers that handle parking complaints, Adventure passes, etc. Lastly, we have the volunteer units. All LEO's are headquartered out of San Bernardino but report to their station assignment. The same for OHV's.
The primary LEO R5 repeaters are wide area repeaters and don't work well down in deep canyons. When the LEO's want to run a plate they normally do it on Forest Admin choosing which ever tone is necessary. Otherwise the LEO's would not need to switch to Admin in order to run the plate. Get it? If that isn't sufficient for you then so be it. You clearly want more information that I am prevented from giving you and you're going to have to just deal with it.
Beyond this our conversation has reached a conclusion. You've been nothing short of disrespectful to me for long enough and simply do not get to demand anything of me and when I don't jump to your demands you disparage me.
By the way, here's the Ranger site.[/size]
Pine Cove (Ranger)
Idyllwild Site (Thomas)
Here's a treat for those that chose to read this far.
Have to say I don't readily understand the VOR location 175/358 but I am not a pilot either.
