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gosmanalf1

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I have recently purchased a UNIDENUBC125XLT scanner, i am thinking on purchasing a DIAMOND D-777 Antenna, to fit on my house roof, but i would like to know what is the best coaxial cable to use, the distance from the antenna to my scanner would be 30 mtrs, would that distance be ok?
 

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There are two main factors on coaxial cable for a receive application. The first and primary item is loss for the highest frequency you plan to use based on your cable length. Since your run is 30 meters you can use the common 100 foot loss numbers. Be aware that as the frequency goes up the loss per foot (or meter) nearly always goes up so a cable that works great on 40 MHz may be really horrible when you change to an 800 MHz frequency range system.

The second item is impedance of the system you have. Generally most scanners and antennas designed for them are based on a 50 ohm design. Don't get too hung up on the impedance though. Since a scanner is a very wide band design and impedance is based on one (or more) frequencies in the design specs it really isn't that important that things match exactly. Basically what I'm saying here is that even though your scanner and antenna specify a 50 ohm impedance you won't break anything by using 75 ohm cable if otherwise that choice is warranted (often it's less expensive, easier to find, and easier to install). If you transmit using that cable it does really matter that the impedance matches!

Two additional comments, one real and one somewhat a joke. First the snarky comment. Since you asked for the "best coaxial cable" you're really limited to a very expensive and hard to install rigid coaxial cable like they use in the very tall TV transmission towers. They are 6+ inch copper tubes with an additional copper tube inside, weigh a few hundred pounds per section, must be mounted using a spring tensioning system (since copper expands and contracts at different rates than the steel used for the towers) and the typical installation has a six figure cost.

OK, now that the snarky comment is done here's the one that you can actually use. The connectors on each end of the cable should match what it's designed to connect to. It's perfectly OK to have different connector types on the two ends of the coax. For example, if your antenna requires a PL-259 connector and your scanner requires a BNC, that's how you should request your cable be made. That said, there are reasons why this isn't always possible. For example, not all connectors exist for all types of cable. This is especially true if your scanner uses an SMA connector. While it's best to match each end directly, you may be forced to use one or more adapters. If you must, you must but keep them limited to as few as possible. Adapters = loss and you really want as little loss as is practical. Now back to the SMA connector. If you must join a thick and heavy cable to an SMA connector you should really use a short jumper. A jumper will make it easier to find the correct connector for your coax and the jumper is much thinner and more flexible cable so there will be less stress on the SMA connector (so it won't break nearly as often).

I'm sure that others will provide more detailed answers, often like "I use RG-xxx and it works great!". OK, that's a good opinion, but may or may not fit your situation. That coax may work great on low frequencies and/or for short run lengths but will it work for your installation or length of cable. You did indicate your cable run length and that's great (many times folks don't provide that), but there are several important details needed for a proper answer. Look back at my second sentence and you'll find a critical detail you didn't mention. That detail is what's the highest frequency range you'll actually be listening to. Be aware that it really doesn't matter what range your scanner will receive, if you never listen to the highest band it covers it will needlessly restrict the answers to larger and more expensive cables. Also it's important to indicate how you plan to install your new cable. Some cable types have a pretty simple installation while others are very stiff and a real pain to install (but their gain numbers are great!) so for the best answer more details provided will generally produce the most balanced answers based on what you provide. For example, "I need to listen to up to 960 MHz signals, it must be very easy to install, and I have an unlimited budget." will give you a totally different answer than "I listen to nothing higher than 170 MHz, I can handle a moderate install, but easier is better, and I can only spend no more than $50 on the coax and connectors."

Good luck with your new install!
 

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Love Love Love my LMR400 but it's thick and hard. I wish I would have gotten the the stranded core instead of solid. My antenna is N and my radio is 259 so I bought a ready made cable and that was a great decision. Bends and curves take more than you think. Like an electrician told me I'd rather have the wire 6' too long than 6" too short.
 

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You will want a connector at the radio end of the LMR400 that you can connect a short 1 meter or so length of a smaller diameter coax. If you don't do that, the heavy LMR400 will destroy the connector on the 125XLT and possibly the internal connections as well.
Use a flexible RG58 size coax for this short length so you can move the radio around freely without the heavy weight of the LMR400. You can go longer with the smaller cable. Maybe two meters. It and the connector to the LMR400 will add a small amount of loss but its really needed so you don't damage the 125XLT.

I've seen people snap the antenna connector right off of the radio when they tried to plug LMR400 directly into the radios antenna jack.
 

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So you want some of this stuff? 6 1/8" rigid line? Its really low loss and I recommend it for all scanner users. You could loose your scanner inside this stuff!

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Since you asked for the "best coaxial cable" you're really limited to a very expensive and hard to install rigid coaxial cable like they use in the very tall TV transmission towers. They are 6+ inch copper tubes with an additional copper tube inside, weigh a few hundred pounds per section, must be mounted using a spring tensioning system (since copper expands and contracts at different rates than the steel used for the towers) and the typical installation has a six figure cost.
 

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You will want a connector at the radio end of the LMR400 that you can connect a short 1 meter or so length of a smaller diameter coax. If you don't do that, the heavy LMR400 will destroy the connector on the 125XLT and possibly the internal connections as well.
Use a flexible RG58 size coax for this short length so you can move the radio around freely without the heavy weight of the LMR400. You can go longer with the smaller cable. Maybe two meters. It and the connector to the LMR400 will add a small amount of loss but its really needed so you don't damage the 125XLT.

I've seen people snap the antenna connector right off of the radio when they tried to plug LMR400 directly into the radios antenna jack.
This is a must, Sage advice. What I use with lmr400 as a lead into the house to the radio is 5 to 10 ft of RG8M, it is a mobile version of RG8... it is thin and flexible but has a lot lower loss than RG58.

Any connections you make you can use a relatively inexpensive product called coax- seal... be sure to wrap the connection in some electrical tape first then apply the coax- seal over the tape so it can be easily removed. It tends to get a little gooey when the time comes to disconnect it. That electrical tape will make it a lot easier to remove.

This will waterproof and seal any connections you make at the antenna and the lead in.
 
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Don't forget that there are antenna amplifiers that are both more low-noise and can handle stronger signals better than your scanner can do.
You can use cheap RG6 CATV coax that's easy to install and then the signal needs to be reduced from the amplifiers 15-20dB with a 10dB attenuator or more to a level where the scanner can handle it. An adjustable 0-20dB attenuator are the best option.

If I connect my coax from my antenna directly to a scanner and then compare to adding an amplifier directly at the scanner and then an attenuator, the difference in reception are easily noticable. And that's only from the better noise figure from the amplifier. Installing the amplifier at the antenna will increase performance even more as the coax attenuation are eliminated and will feed the coax with a more even impedance over the frequency ranges independent of antenna impedance.

Amplifiers based on PGA103 are both low noise and strong signal capable.

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Thank you n5ims for your detailed reply, very informative and helpful, i now must consider on what setup i really want, and how much i am prepared to spend, so thank you again so much for your time, i am amazed at the amount of input you have given me. thank you.

You will want a connector at the radio end of the LMR400 that you can connect a short 1 meter or so length of a smaller diameter coax. If you don't do that, the heavy LMR400 will destroy the connector on the 125XLT and possibly the internal connections as well.
Use a flexible RG58 size coax for this short length so you can move the radio around freely without the heavy weight of the LMR400. You can go longer with the smaller cable. Maybe two meters. It and the connector to the LMR400 will add a small amount of loss but its really needed so you don't damage the 125XLT.

I've seen people snap the antenna connector right off of the radio when they tried to plug LMR400 directly into the radios antenna jack.

Thank you kruser, i will keep that in mind.
 

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Odd, I've never had any particular problems using LMR-400. Sure, it's stiffer than RG-58, but not really any worst than RG-8 and it is bendable.
 
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