• Effective immediately we will be deleting, without notice, any negative threads or posts that deal with the use of encryption and streaming of scanner audio.

    We've noticed a huge increase in rants and negative posts that revolve around agencies going to encryption due to the broadcasting of scanner audio on the internet. It's now worn out and continues to be the same recycled rants. These rants hijack the threads and derail the conversation. They no longer have a place anywhere on this forum other than in the designated threads in the Rants forum in the Tavern.

    If you violate these guidelines your post will be deleted without notice and an infraction will be issued. We are not against discussion of this issue. You just need to do it in the right place. For example:
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Colorado Anti-Ecryption Bill is still alive

captaincraig44

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Last year, State Representative Kevin Van Winkle introduced HB18-1061 (No Encryption Of Dispatch Radio Communications | Colorado General Assembly). This bill was killed before it got very far, but I have been in contact with Van Winkles office and he is in the midst of consulting with the stakeholders (LEO's, city councils, etc) about revising the language in the bill in an effort to find some middle ground where it stands a chance at passage. I know things are getting a little heated with Denver set to go dark in a little more than a week, so I would encourage anyone who believes that no agency should go blanket encryption to write Representative Van Winkle (kevin.vanwinkle.house@state.co.us) and express your support for his efforts. The bill he wrote last year made allowances for encryption on sensitive communications - SWAT, Tac channels, etc, which I think most of us would be supportive of, but it required primary dispatch channels to be in the clear.
This thread is not meant to be, and should not be taken as, an "encryption sucks" thread. Please keep emotions out of the discussion - but let's have a discussion and see what we can do about keeping the hobby alive.
 
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It's good efforts are still underway to assist agencies remain transparent. The more transparent agencies can be these days with their "routine" day to day business the better as it assists in building trust with the public. The last thing we need is for everyone on earth to finally reach the point where each person conducts 100% of all communications in an encrypted manner as no one can trust anyone any further with even the most basic of information. Hopefully, this bill will make some progress this time around.
 
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Last year, State Representative Kevin Van Winkle introduced HB18-1061 (No Encryption Of Dispatch Radio Communications | Colorado General Assembly). This bill was killed before it got very far, but I have been in contact with Van Winkles office and he is in the midst of consulting with the stakeholders (LEO's, city councils, etc) about revising the language in the bill in an effort to find some middle ground where it stands a chance at passage. I know things are getting a little heated with Denver set to go dark in a little more than a week, so I would encourage anyone who believes that no agency should go blanket encryption to write Representative Van Winkle (kevin.vanwinkle.house@state.co.us) and express your support for his efforts. The bill he wrote last year made allowances for encryption on sensitive communications - SWAT, Tac channels, etc, which I think most of us would be supportive of, but it required primary dispatch channels to be in the clear.
This thread is not meant to be, and should not be taken as, an "encryption sucks" thread. Please keep emotions out of the discussion - but let's have a discussion and see what we can do about keeping the hobby alive.
Very useful post here Craig, thank you!

I’ve sent Rep. Van Winkle an email with some arguments, and have asked how I can help.

It would be interesting to know what the ‘real’ impact on public safety is when the encryption switch is thrown. I don’t doubt encryption can make things safer for the first responder, but we as a populous matter too. Could things be less safe for the general public with encryption? If we or the media must rely on a tweet from the agency regarding active incidents or a ‘shelter in place’ , it has to be inferior (slower, less detailed) to traditional methods: scanner traffic to public, or scanner traffic to media to public. Is this play really about public safety ?

Fostering public trust, driving accountability and transparency, matter now more than ever with recent abuses even (especially?) by high powered three letter agencies being widely publicized. Power corrupts. My fear is that a dangerous precedent is in the making,

Please make your voice known if this topic is important to you.
 
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I sent an email to my city councilman about this issue and he will present it the public safety committee for review
 

allend

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Well good luck on this fight in CO. I think they will listen at these public safety committee meetings but once the switch is thrown or has been thrown its too much of an uphill battle at this point. I think people do not have a leg to stand on at this point but majority of the hobby community will end up focusing their energy in a new direction instead of fighting for cities and counties to open up their comms. Denver is biggest prime example at this point in Colorado.

If you really think in our world and in a very realistic way of thinking if you were on this public safety committee once your team has made the decision there is no turning back the clock. It would have to be a big scale law accross the board nationwide to have guidelines on how public safety agencies uses encryption and so forth. I give big credit for at least trying guys but its a losing battle. Trust me I am not for this since it ruins the hobby, but you have to focus your energy where life really counts. You are not going to convince city or county governments to change their mind.

As to the first question above about how you keep this hobby alive that's the biggest unknown answer right now. I just do not know how this 50 or 60 year hobby stays alive. Life is always about change and change has been coming for a long time now. There is not much more technology that can be added to keep scanners alive in full-force. It's just about what can be maintained for the time being for our generation. Its all about your geographic location now on how you personally can keep your hobby alive. There will be certain market places that are getting more and more pushed down the pipe. But the the majority or all market places will get caught up down the road in time. Its not a matter of if, its a matter when. If you really study the data on this site and look at market places popping up with new Phase II systems the data proves the direction of this hobby.
 
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