Control Channels only?

[keithmj]

Hi all..I have two scanners online a PRO2053 and a BCT15. With the BCT15 I have all the talkgroup IDs programed into that I want to stream, and just the control channel frequencies for pinellas county, Florida. A listener sent me an email and said..

"Comments: I am in Pinellas County Fl. I can pick up St. Petersburg Police and maybe some P.C.S.O. However it seems to be only their talk-around channels. I have not picked up any dispatched calls as of yet. Nor have I picked up any county EMS or Fire. Am I doing something wrong or is that the only ones offered at this site. Thanks"..

I was wondering if I have to put in all the frequencies in order to get all the calls? I have all the IDs programed in and all are turned on and I can't figure out what is going on..Has anyone heard of this or had this problem? Thanks and cheers..Keithmj

 

[kayleesdad]

Below are the frequencies I use for all Motorola 800 II systems in Pinellas County. I throw them all in, not sure if it helps. There must be other control channels and frequencies that are used by these talk groups. I was hoping that if I program the 396 to "control channel only" it would pick up additional frequencies of the talk group so I can store them for when I'm not on "control channel only." The same frequencies seem to be used by different talk groups - PD, Sheriff, Services, EMS, etc....I lumped all the frequencies together and then eliminated the repeats, and so I lumped Ridgecrest, Toy Town, Cell 3 and Cell 4 and some other frequencies that downloaded from Radio Reference, although some talk groups seem to stay on "Toy Town" frequencies and some talk groups seem to use all frequencies. There is one extra frequency in there that may be a transcription error -- haven't found where I got it from yet (868.8625).

856.2125
856.2375
856.4625
856.7125
856.7375
856.9375
856.9625
857.2125
857.2375
857.4625
857.7125
857.7375
857.9375
857.9625
858.2125
858.2375
858.4625
858.7125
858.7375
858.9375
858.9625
859.2125
859.2375
859.4625
859.7125
859.7375
859.9375
859.9625
860.2125
860.2375
860.4625
860.7125
860.7375
860.9375
860.9625
866.0875
866.1625
866.3000
866.3375
866.5375
866.5875
866.8500
866.9000
867.0875
867.1500
867.3625
867.6000
867.8375
868.0750
868.1625
868.2000
868.3750
868.4125
868.6625
868.8625
868.9125

 

[n2mdk]

Below are the frequencies I use for all Motorola 800 II systems in Pinellas County. I throw them all in, not sure if it helps. There must be other control channels and frequencies that are used by these talk groups. I was hoping that if I program the 396 to "control channel only" it would pick up additional frequencies of the talk group so I can store them for when I'm not on "control channel only." The same frequencies seem to be used by different talk groups - PD, Sheriff, Services, EMS, etc....I lumped all the frequencies together and then eliminated the repeats, and so I lumped Ridgecrest, Toy Town, Cell 3 and Cell 4 and some other frequencies that downloaded from Radio Reference, although some talk groups seem to stay on "Toy Town" frequencies and some talk groups seem to use all frequencies. There is one extra frequency in there that may be a transcription error -- haven't found where I got it from yet (868.8625).

856.2125
856.2375
856.4625
856.7125
856.7375
856.9375
856.9625
857.2125
857.2375
857.4625
857.7125
857.7375
857.9375
857.9625
858.2125
858.2375
858.4625
858.7125
858.7375
858.9375
858.9625
859.2125
859.2375
859.4625
859.7125
859.7375
859.9375
859.9625
860.2125
860.2375
860.4625
860.7125
860.7375
860.9375
860.9625
866.0875
866.1625
866.3000
866.3375
866.5375
866.5875
866.8500
866.9000
867.0875
867.1500
867.3625
867.6000
867.8375
868.0750
868.1625
868.2000
868.3750
868.4125
868.6625
868.8625
868.9125

No it actually hurts all the sites need to be in seperate systems, you only need to program the frequencies listed in red with control channel only.
You don't seem to understand how a trunked system works, read this to understand better.
http://www.uniden.com/products/ButIjustwanttolistentothePolice.pdf

 

[bfeeny]

Your saying if you had a multi-site motorola II system, you should put each "site" as its own "system". I monitor a 4 site MotII, and just put 4 control channels per site into one system and monitor, should I be doing this different?

 

[kayleesdad]

Adding separate systems by CC only seems interesting and seems to work well. When set to "CC Only on" with all frequencies listed, the BCD396 focuses on the active control channel. Example, input all Ridgecrest frequencies with BCD396 set to "CC Only On" the scanner focuses on control channel 860.2375 (only active cc channel for the last few days). "CC Only on" and "CC Only off" seem to work equally well.

Interestingly, the Toytown (CC channel 860.7125) system carries a lot (can't confirm all) of the transmissions on Ridgecrest system (CC channel 860.2375) , and I can toggle between the two systems and hear the same transmission in mid sentence on different frequencies with different control channels. Why the duplication?

At least with these two systems, when all frequencies are added with "CC only on", the scanner focuses on the Ridgecrest control channel rather than the Toytown control channel.

How do we know if there aren't more control channels out there? There are a ton of TGIDs that need updating, might be some new control channels, too.

Thanks for the advice.

 

[torontokris]

If your in pinellas county, Florida go beat up that Gill Hammoud who scammed me out of a lot of money for a 996 purchase
since the local police were unwilling to do much hehe

 

[LEH]

Your saying if you had a multi-site motorola II system, you should put each "site" as its own "system". I monitor a 4 site MotII, and just put 4 control channels per site into one system and monitor, should I be doing this different?

No, unless each site broadcasts independently and are not simulcasts. The scanner will work with the first CC encountered.

A multi site system is still basically a single system.

What Keith and Kayleesdad (mainly him) have done is just put all TRS channels from multiple systems (not MULTI SITE) in a single bank, system (396) or whatever. I've been to Pinellas County FL for business and wound up with something like four TRS systems in my 396. As I recall, the county is Motorla but Clearwater (where I was staying) is EDACS.

As was stated (and you've done it correctly), for CC operation, you just need to enter the known control channels (red or blue). If you notice limited or no reception, then check the CC's you have loaded. If there is no CC, add new frequencies from the system list until you find it.

 

[kayleesdad]

and clearwater is EDACS standard/wide rather than "narrow" which is the way it downloaded for me from RR -- although that may have been an isolated incident. Same with EDACS for Hillsborough East and Hillsborough West. Hillsborough is a larger county due east of Pinellas and accross the bay.

much to learn about these systems and sites, etc..

 

[kayleesdad]

Dividing by sites and using CC only, it appears that the sheriff's TGIDs and the Fire/Med do not use the toytown site. the toytown site appears to be a simulcast the main police dispatch channels, some digital voice pd channels and a lot of public works channels, and for awhile it seemed one police info channel appeared exclusively on toytown as did a USF PD A channel and a digital voice TGID. inputting all toytown frequencies and turning off "CC only" brought out some strange TGIDs in the 50000's and 60000's that disappeared very quickly, although 63813 sounded just like 19712 (1B North Dispatch).

Some of the 50000's and 60000's from both sites:


51188 51188 Motorola Type II 800
52671 52671 Motorola Type II 800
53600 53600 Motorola Type II 800
53710 53710 Encrypted Digital Motorola Type II 800
53779 53779 Encrypted Digital Motorola Type II 800
54144 54144 Motorola Type II 800
54317 54317 data transfer Motorola Type II 800
55110 55110 Motorola Type II 800
57878 57878 data transfer Motorola Type II 800
57888 57888 Motorola Type II 800
58179 58179 Data; Silent; holds channel Motorola Type II 800
60283 60283 Motorola Type II 800
60431 60431 data transfer Motorola Type II 800
60827 60827 law Enforcement Motorola Type II 800
62696 62696 Motorola Type II 800
63813 63813 1B North st. pete police dispatch Motorola Type II 800