CTCSS and NAC on the same channel?

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krokus

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Or setup one programming, with no coding on it, so it picks up everything.
 

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NAC is for digital, and CTCSS or DCS is for analog. If both appear in the same database entry for the same frequency, then there must be a mistake.

The two replies above are spot on. I would set one with no coding in it, and watch the display when you hear traffic (just HOLD on it for awhile), and it should flash CTCSS/DCS coding or in the case of your XT model, flash the NAC. (396T models will just flash "P25".)
 

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NAC is for digital, and CTCSS or DCS is for analog. If both appear in the same database entry for the same frequency, then there must be a mistake.

Not entirely true. There are plenty of mixed mode repeaters.



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Correct, but in that case, it should have two seperate db entries (one for each mode).
 

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National Interop channels are recommended to be analog and CSQ receive, 156.7 transmit. (Just in case someone has 156.7 on receive. I believe the digital stuff is only if a specific agency programmed their radios that way. But I agree with Jay911..
 

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Mixed modes

Unfortunately, most P25 radios (and repeater systems) are set up to support mixed mode receive, where an incoming signal with either the correct NAC or CTCSS/DCS will unsquelch. That means conversations happen where one transmitter is analog and the other digital... and the Uniden scanners can't handle that (unless you can live with carrier squelch).

Programming two scanner channels means the scanner will stop on one of them, letting the user hear one side of the chat, then mute the reply until the delay time expires... and then it starts looking at other programmed channels. If you have the analog and digital entries next to each other in the scan list, then half the time you'd step immediately to the alternate mode - but half the time you'd have to go through all active channels before returning to the original conversation.
 

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If your searching with PL/DPL and a P25 transmision takes place, the scanner will NOT show the NAC as we know. However when the P25 transmission comes in, the PL will show 67.0.

So when I'm searching with PL/DPL activated, and I see a PL of 67.0, I know that transmission was most likely a P25 transmission. Very few people use 67.0 PL in the first place.
 

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This in my opinion is a major shortcoming of all current scanners.

I found out how big of an issue this is after a neighboring county started migrating to a mixed-mode P25 system. Although currently there are very few P25 transmissions, eventually most operations will be P25, while paging and interop will be analog.

There is no good way to program this system in my Uniden or GRE scanners. If I program it with no tone or NAC, I get interference from distant stations on the same freq. However if I create two channels, the scanners "hang" on the analog channel when there is a P25 transmission and vice versa, resulting in large delays before the audio unmutes. The latter method also prevents assigning this system priority. I can only imagine how annoying this will be when they start using P25 more often.

Now, every P25 radio made (be it Motorola, Kenwood etc.) has had mixed-mode capability from the start. That means ONE channel, with CTCSS/DCS for the analog side, NAC for the digital side, and it automatically switches mode depending on the type of incoming transmission.

Why has the scanner manufacturers not taken notice of this seemingly essential feature that every professional radio has? I can not imagine mixed-mode systems being very uncommon, and as more rural areas go P25, possibly operating like my neighboring county, I see this becoming more of an issue.


On the subject of P25 annoyances on scanners: Why can Uniden not display radio ID's on P25 conventional channels without creating a stupid P25 "One-freq-trunk" system? Once again, every P25 radio made (with a display) effortlessly displays radio ID's right there on that one mixed-mode channel. I believe the new PSR-800 does this also, not sure about the HomePatrol.
 

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On my PSR-500, I can leave modulation to auto, and it will decode the transmission, in any supported modulation.
 
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