Emission Designator Differences

[dwparker94]

So I am trying to figure out what emission designators I would want for a license. Here is my question, there is 7K60FXD (Data), 7K60FXE (Voice), and 7K60FXW (Data and Voice). Do I have to license my frequencies for all three or can I just use the 7K60FXW (Data and Voice). Since this is DMR, I want to be able to use voice, GPS data, text messaging, etc on all frequencies with the license so there is no "Oh crap, I just sent data on a voice only frequency". And if anyone can help me with the P25 designators, I will owe you breakfast! I know of P25 and general use, but that is it. If it helps with the P25 stuff, we will be using something like the XTS5000 or APX series (in the future, we do not have the money for my expensive taste in radios). I don't even know the full capabilities of P25 because I have never been able to legally play with them. I am just trying to license for everything now, instead of having to modify the license down the road.

 

[RaleighGuy]

So I am trying to figure out what emission designators

Sounds like you really need the help of a frequency coordinator that deals with this stuff, and many other questions that will come up during the licensing process. Money well spent.

 

[mmckenna]

Just license for E, D and W for each mode you plan to use. There's really not a limitation on what you can license for as long as it is permissible for use on the frequencies you want to be licensed on.

License for Analog, DMR and P25, if that's what you plan on using. Not uncommon to see licenses with multiple modes.

 

[dwparker94]

Sounds like you really need the help of a frequency coordinator that deals with this stuff, and many other questions that will come up during the licensing process. Money well spent

What is the use of a frequency coordinator when I do not understand the limitations of each designator? Is the frequency coordinator going to program my radios and develop the communication plan for me? Is the frequency coordinator going to come in and teach everyone what is allowed and not allowed on each frequency? Does the frequency coordinator pay the fines if my system does something that results in FCC action? I hate asking questions in the radio world because the answer is always "pay someone else to do it", not "Great on you for trying to understand something you don't know". When I am going to pay hundreds of dollars for frequency coordination, I am going to know what I want and how to use when I deal with them. With your logic, my previous frequency coordinator should of explained not use 7K60FXD on two public safety frequencies that are licensed for 11K2F3E only. Yet, the frequency coordinator didn't since it is up to me to know how to legally utilize the frequencies.

 

[K9KLC]

What is the use of a frequency coordinator when I do not understand the limitations of each designator? Is the frequency coordinator going to program my radios and develop the communication plan for me? Is the frequency coordinator going to come in and teach everyone what is allowed and not allowed on each frequency? Does the frequency coordinator pay the fines if my system does something that results in FCC action? I hate asking questions in the radio world because the answer is always "pay someone else to do it", not "Great on you for trying to understand something you don't know". When I am going to pay hundreds of dollars for frequency coordination, I am going to know what I want and how to use when I deal with them. With your logic, my previous frequency coordinator should of explained not use 7K60FXD on two public safety frequencies that are licensed for 11K2F3E only. Yet, the frequency coordinator didn't since it is up to me to know how to legally utilize the frequencies.

Emission Designator - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

 

[K9KLC]

What is the use of a frequency coordinator when I do not understand the limitations of each designator? Is the frequency coordinator going to program my radios and develop the communication plan for me? Is the frequency coordinator going to come in and teach everyone what is allowed and not allowed on each frequency? Does the frequency coordinator pay the fines if my system does something that results in FCC action? I hate asking questions in the radio world because the answer is always "pay someone else to do it", not "Great on you for trying to understand something you don't know". When I am going to pay hundreds of dollars for frequency coordination, I am going to know what I want and how to use when I deal with them. With your logic, my previous frequency coordinator should of explained not use 7K60FXD on two public safety frequencies that are licensed for 11K2F3E only. Yet, the frequency coordinator didn't since it is up to me to know how to legally utilize the frequencies.

Not to be rude, but it's up to the license holder to understand and know what is allowed and not allowed.

Edit: Sorry I did not mean to come off as rude, nor condescending. I understand you're looking for information here. You perhaps had a bad coordinator from your post or there may have been a miscommunication between you guys. Good luck getting the proper licensing. Honestly a good coordinator will help you get properly licensed and stay legal. Be up front with what you need.

 

[RaleighGuy]

Not to be rude, but it's up to the license holder to understand and know what is allowed and not allowed.

That is what he was telling me, and his reasoning for trying to learn what needs to be done. Additionally, the emission designator list in the wiki doesn't explain what he is asking, it doesn't explain the difference between the usages.

 

[K9KLC]

That is what he was telling me, and his reasoning for trying to learn what needs to be done. Additionally, the emission designator list in the wiki doesn't explain what he is asking, it doesn't explain the difference between the usages.

Then perhaps he needs an RF consultant or a frequency coordinator that can be of more help.
I am not sure from his description exactly what he's trying to do. If he cannot look at the link I posted and figure it out himself, (and its ok if he can't there's a lot there) then he may need help likely beyond these forums or at least something more personal to discuss his business needs and such. I can help with what I can help with as can others here but, without knowing an exact plan for what he needs, I'm not sure really how much anyone can.


I think @mmckenna had some good advice however, if he does that, he would likely be covered.

 

[K9KLC]

That is what he was telling me, and his reasoning for trying to learn what needs to be done. Additionally, the emission designator list in the wiki doesn't explain what he is asking, it doesn't explain the difference between the usages.

I forget at times people don't know what I know, just like pople explaining things to me on occasion think I know what they know. (this happens a lot). I apologize for my poor wording. That being said, I still think your answer with the "right" frequency coordinator would be what the fellow needs. I've seen some of those guys be pretty helpful to people thru out the years. I'd think if he was very explicit in what he wanted, he'd end up getting the correct licensing.

 

[K9KLC]

That is what he was telling me, and his reasoning for trying to learn what needs to be done. Additionally, the emission designator list in the wiki doesn't explain what he is asking, it doesn't explain the difference between the usages.

You are correct but it's at least something to start with. I didn't know if he knew that existed.