G5 & Harris Patch Handling

[APX8000]

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[trido]

Anyone had any Harris Patches yet with new firmware?

None here yet.

Jeff

 

[APX8000]

Yes. It will display the SAID or newly created patch talkgroup. For example, on the Miami Dade P25 system, when the HQ dispatcher tones out a priority call, I’m getting the random 3 digit DEC talkgroup pop up on the G5 (which is not even in my scanlist), while my portable is displaying the HQ talkgroup. So I’m hearing the patch on the patch talkgroup.


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[lexmedic157]

Can someone please try and get an individual talkgroup to alert and record through the SAID? I’ve tried everything i know how to do for the last month with no avail.


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[RRR]

Soooo.......

Well, when the "65XXX" is "patched" with a talkgroup already programmed into the G5, the "65XXX" TG shows up on the display, but not the one programmed. But at least now it will sound off the radio traffic, when before it wouldn't.

interesting to note, even though the audio will come across with the "65XXX" TG, it will not replay, it will only replay your stored TG's, that had traffic showing up on those TG's.

 

[IAmSixNine]

I can confirm what RRR is saying.
Programmed in TG records audio. Patched to that will show the ID patched and not record audio.
Im happy its at least now passing audio. Much improvement.

 

[wa8pyr]

Confused a former Harris dealer tells me Harris Simulselect is like when a dispatcher wants to put out a BOLO on MULTI talkgroups at the same time? maybe PD disp, SO disp?
it is not as far as I am told patching two TG together?
I dont think they have fixed the harris patched TG issue.

Hope I am wrong and simulselect is patching two TG together.

Simulselect is sort of a "half patch." It allows the dispatcher to broadcast on multiple talkgroups at the same time, but does not pass audio from one talkgroup to another like a true patch.

At the system level, Motorola systems choose one of the selected talkgroups as the "master" (usually the first one selected) while Harris systems create an entirely new talkgroup (typically in the 65xxx range), but in both cases all the "selected" talkgroups use the same voice channel. In both cases this is entirely transparent to the user.

 

[tglendye]

I just got a G5 a couple of weeks ago and am trying to set up 2-tone on the 800 side on a Harris P25 Phase 2 system (Harrisonburg/ Rockingham, VA). With my dealer's help, the 2-tone is alerting (it's been a slow period, but I think it is correct).
However in Selective Call mode, everything is quite until the 2-tone is broadcast (good) or the dispatch TG is simulcasted with a 65xxx TG (bad). The radio opens up every time a 65xxx pops up, so it's difficult to use this as a pager when random traffic keeps coming across.

Are you all seeing the pager as mute until the 65xxx pops up (with the exception of a 2tone activation)?

 

[Webodisk]

After some experimenting on Rockbridge's VA P25 system last week, I could do 2 things in the Trunking TG scan, if I put the two tone pair on the dispatch TG pager would alert and open, then I set it up to use the dedicated alert TG the pager would only open but not alert and I got the annoying 65### TG But i did not have the random TG pop up and unmute

 

[lexmedic157]

It seems as though after the latest update you no longer have to use the 2-tone sub group to get alert and recording to work. Just input the correct paging TG and you’re set. So it appears anyway.

 

[RRR]

My G5's still will not record on the "65XXX" TG's. That's usually where dispatching comes from, as multiple stations/units are dispatched on different TG's, and yet only the "65XXX" TG shows.

On comparison, the SDS100 will show a station TG while the G5's show the "65XXX" TG.

And quite aggravating to listen to them both together (G5 and SDS100) as with the new firmware, there is about a 2 or 3 second delay from the G5 now....

 

[tglendye]

My G5's still will not record on the "65XXX" TG's. That's usually where dispatching comes from, as multiple stations/units are dispatched on different TG's, and yet only the "65XXX" TG shows.

On comparison, the SDS100 will show a station TG while the G5's show the "65XXX" TG.

And quite aggravating to listen to them both together (G5 and SDS100) as with the new firmware, there is about a 2 or 3 second delay from the G5 now....

Harris system? My G5 is showing the 65000 TG’s as the assigned TG as you would expect since the latest firmware.

You may try to disable the voice buffering to “fix” the delay. Mine had the same thing, but I haven’t changed any settings in it.

 

[RRR]

Disabled buffering as soon as I noticed it, no change.

And it's odd that the SDS100 will show the appropriate Talkgroup (As in, it will show the programmed station's TG) as opposed to the "65XXX" Tg as the G5 displays, when patched groups are used.

...So it can be done.

 

[tglendye]

When we went from ProVoice to P25, my 436 went from random TG’s to the correct talkgroups when patched or multi casted- whatever Harris’s term is. With the previous firmware my G5 displayed 65xxx, however. When I went to 1.2, it displays correct now and I don’t see the 65000 id’s anymore. ???

 

[RRR]

I guess I should mention it is a Harris P2 (trunked) system

 

[Webodisk]

Thanks to Todd for his info on the Rockingham system, helped a lot. Still a few issues with version 1.2 and Rockbridges P25 Harris System. 2 tone alerts about 20% percent of the time. They use a separate talk group patched to the dispatch talk group for alerting for each station. You can hear voice traffic on the alert group as long as alternative is enabled, just no alert tone. I did use Lexmedics plan and it worked, but that does not allow you to use the binding function so the other non alert channels are not silent until 2 tone pair is received. More experimentation next visit !

 

[lexmedic157]

I’m not entirely sure what you mean about the binding feature. With all of it disabled, I have one channel that only has alert TG’s and it alerts and records no other audio except that specific dept. I have another that listens to all f/r operational TG’s but also adds the page TG’s in priority for users to hear general traffic but then get their pages.

I will also note that I generally do not see the 65xxx SAID number anymore after the latest firmware PPS update.

 

[XTS3000]

Harris plays a dirty game!! They will update remotely their infrastructure during the night, preventing Motorola radios from working. This is the reason Motorola had to frantically update their Astro25 firmware so Motorola radios would work on Harris systems.

A local system around here months ago, only Harris radios worked, yet the day before Motorola radios worked fine on their system. Moto firmware R20.50.10 was released because of Harris playing dirty games which prevented Motorola radios from working on their system.

So if your listening to a Harris P25 system and it goes silent, it’s not your scanners or police radios, it’s them playing dirty and not adhering to the official P25 standard.

 

[maus92]

Harris plays a dirty game!! They will update remotely their infrastructure during the night, preventing Motorola radios from working. This is the reason Motorola had to frantically update their Astro25 firmware so Motorola radios would work on Harris systems.

A local system around here months ago, only Harris radios worked, yet the day before Motorola radios worked fine on their system. Moto firmware R20.50.10 was released because of Harris playing dirty games which prevented Motorola radios from working on their system.

So if your listening to a Harris P25 system and it goes silent, it’s not your scanners or police radios, it’s them playing dirty and not adhering to the official P25 standard.

Really not good in a public safety environment. People could die.