G5 question

[bobruzzo]

I have a knob position set up with about 20 commercial business DMR freqs.....just local stuff. Suppose I just want to monitor ONE of those freqs? Is there some way to manually step thru the freqs till I get to the one I want to listen to? For example we had a BIG storm last night.....high winds, trees down, roads closed etc.....I wanted to listen to the local utility company, RI Energy. So when I turned G5 on, set knob to right position, radio scans but no way to lock on or HOLD until theres activity. The freqs in this knob position are just simple UHF non trunked freqs.

 

[jtwalker]

Set zone/knob for the one frequency that you set up as monitor.

 

[K9KLC]

I have a knob position set up with about 20 commercial business DMR freqs.....just local stuff. Suppose I just want to monitor ONE of those freqs? Is there some way to manually step thru the freqs till I get to the one I want to listen to? For example we had a BIG storm last night.....high winds, trees down, roads closed etc.....I wanted to listen to the local utility company, RI Energy. So when I turned G5 on, set knob to right position, radio scans but no way to lock on or HOLD until theres activity. The freqs in this knob position are just simple UHF non trunked freqs.

UH...how did you get it to scan 20 frequencies on DMR? Doesn't each one require a knob position and then you set a knob position to scan those other ones? Granted, I've not got DMR working on mine at this time but I know for analog, you can scan 16 knob positions and I just go to that knob position to listen to a single one. Am I missing something here?

 

[bobruzzo]

UH...how did you get it to scan 20 frequencies on DMR? Doesn't each one require a knob position and then you set a knob position to scan those other ones? Granted, I've not got DMR working on mine at this time but I know for analog, you can scan 16 knob positions and I just go to that knob position to listen to a single one. Am I missing something here?

I think I programmed this part of code plug WRONG! I got help programming the P25 system and thats working fine. I set up another zone (knob position) with about 7 conventional UHF freqs, PD, FD, Security and that zone scans and works fine. But I also set up another knob position for about 15 DMR business freqs. I noticed over time I never hear anything on that zone....I occasionally see it very briefly stop and display one of the programmed freqs but No audio. I put the G5 side by side with my Anytone 878 (ham radio) which also has a zone set up for same DMR business freqs.....when the Anytone stops on an active call, the G5 very briefly shows the same TG but resumes scanning and NO audio. So I need someone who knows how to program UHF DMR freqs in a scan list. There isn't any reason I can see why you wouldnt be able to program more than 1 DMR freq to a knob position. Look at attached pics.....I screwed up somewhere but dont know how. Right know the G5 is programmed with a P25 simulcast system, using knobs 1 thru 6....working perfectly.....knob 7 programmed with a bout 7 UHF freqs of Police/Fire/Rescue/Maint...scans fine and works fine. It's just knob position 8 where I attempted to program those UHF DMR freqs....I know I put in all the right talk groups, slots, color codes...and the G5 does scan those freqs.....but doesnt stop on anything except for VERY briefly when there's a transmission, but no audio then resumes scanning. If I try to HOLD on the G5 when it briefly stops, the HOLD doesnt work......so I am missing something in the DMR programming but after looking at the code plug which is confusing to begin with, I am not sure what to look for. If you look carefully in the pic....the radio on left stopped on the "Crown Plaza Hotel" and on right, you can barely see the G5 also stopped on same Crown plaza, but its dim cause it was very briefly displaying it.

 

[bobruzzo]

I think I see where maybe the G5 will NOT use DMR with multiple freqs in a scanlist in a knob position...just a guess.....even tho I set EACH individual freq in the DMR scanlist to the proper color codes and time slots, it looks like according to the attached pic that when you click on Protocol parameter settings, click DMR, and you can see it only allows either time slot 1 or 2......even tho each individual frequency in my DMR scanlist has the actual CC and TS. I am guessing at this point.

 

[RaleighGuy]

even tho each individual frequency in my DMR scanlist has the actual CC and TS. I am guessing at this point.

Time slots are determined in the Protocol, you need to create two DMR protocols, one for Slot 1 another Slot 2. So, I do not know how you think you are setting the correct TS anywhere else.

I think I see where maybe the G5 will NOT use DMR with multiple freqs in a scanlist in a knob position...just a guess.....

Each DMR freq gets its own knob position, then gets added to the scan list, if you need both time slots you must create two different knobs for each freq with two different protocols, so in a scan list (knob position) you can only scan 8 slot one and 8 slot two freqs.

 

[K9KLC]

Time slots are determined in the Protocol, you need to create two DMR protocols, one for Slot 1 another Slot 2. So, I do not know how you think you are setting the correct TS anywhere else.


Each DMR freq gets its own knob position, then gets added to the scan list, if you need both time slots you must create two different knobs for each freq with two different protocols, so in a scan list (knob position) you can only scan 8 slot one and 8 slot two freqs.

Thanks, while I don't have mine doing DMR yet I thought it was similar to analog with how the knob settings were done.

 

[RaleighGuy]

Thanks, while I don't have mine doing DMR yet I thought it was similar to analog with how the knob settings were done.

Only difference with DMR is setting up slots in protocols and doubling them up in individual and scanning knob positions if you need both slots

 

[K9KLC]

Only difference with DMR is setting up slots in protocols and doubling them up in individual and scanning knob positions if you need both slots

I'm gonna tackle the DMR thing again soon. I must have something not right as I can take my /\/\ DMR radio and hear the one department when I work in that area but as of yet I haven't got it to pop thru in the G5. I imported thru RR and it "looks" right even as far as the protocols go but just haven't picked it up yet.

@bobruzzo, you need to revisit your programming and once set up correctly you'll have no issues getting it on the frequency you want. I do it all the time with the weather channels, some ham VHF I have in there and also some PS stuff for VHF.

Admittedly, the G5s spend most of their time on 700/800 trunking on Starcom 21 but, on occasion I do switch one of them to other duties.

 

[bobruzzo]

I'm gonna tackle the DMR thing again soon. I must have something not right as I can take my /\/\ DMR radio and hear the one department when I work in that area but as of yet I haven't got it to pop thru in the G5. I imported thru RR and it "looks" right even as far as the protocols go but just haven't picked it up yet.

@bobruzzo, you need to revisit your programming and once set up correctly you'll have no issues getting it on the frequency you want. I do it all the time with the weather channels, some ham VHF I have in there and also some PS stuff for VHF.

Admittedly, the G5s spend most of their time on 700/800 trunking on Starcom 21 but, on occasion I do switch one of them to other duties.

Yeah I am beginning to see the real benefit of the G5 is the P25 system. And thats what I mostly use it for. I only ordered the radio with the DMR upgrade cause I figured I might as well have some DMR freqs to listen to. I have knob position 7 programmed with 7 conventional UHF (PD, FD) and it receives and scans fine. Attached is the ZONE CHANNEL SETTING so maybe you can see what I messed up...I understand setting up 2 channels with both slot 1 and slot 2, but I wanted to keep all the DMR freqs on the same knob cause all the other knob positions are filled. I might delete all the DMR stuff since i already have other DMR radios.

 

[K9KLC]

I can't see what you actually have in Zone 1 positions 7 & 8 but the frequencies are obviously in there in other zones. Which one did you want to lock it on?

Wait, with DMR you can only have 1 TG per knob position as far as I know. Perhaps @RaleighGuy will pop back in here but I believe it's 1 frequency, 1 TG and 1 time slot per knob position. If that's not the case perhaps someone else will advise.

 

[bobruzzo]

I can't see what you actually have in Zone 1 positions 7 & 8 but the frequencies are obviously in there in other zones. Which one did you want to lock it on?

Wait, with DMR you can only have 1 TG per knob position as far as I know. Perhaps @RaleighGuy will pop back in here but I believe it's 1 frequency, 1 TG and 1 time slot per knob position. If that's not the case perhaps someone else will advise.

OK I re programmed the whole radio and left out the DMR for now. In Zone 1 knob 7 I have some analog PD and FD....they are at bottom row in pic. I see now to use DMR I just have to double up the entries and make each entry two times, one entry with slot one and the other entry slot 2. Analog UHF no problem, you just need 1 entry per freq. I am still not sure how to make 2 of the same freqs with 2 different time slots. I cant find where to set the time slots individually. The DMR parameters only gives you one choice and it appears to be global.

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[bobruzzo]

Well I found a happy medium for programming DMR.....I noticed that time slots can't be set on individual entries, only in the DMR parameters you get choice of either slot one or two......So I noticed most of the entities I monitor use slot 1.....so I programmed 4 of them and IT WORKS. I dont know why the software makes it so cumbersome to have to program DMR, if you could set the time slots in the same way you set color codes and talk groups. So I had to compromise a little. Any entity using slot 2 I dont use, and luckily most I monitor use slot 1. So I am hearing transmissions from all 4 of the entries I just programmed. I understand in order to listen to entities using both time slots you have to double them up, but I dont see how to do it since there is no place to enter the time slots except in the "DMR Parameters" window, like in pic below. And you only get ONE choice in that window. I hope I am making sense cause this is the only way I know how to describe my confusion.

 

[RaleighGuy]

I understand in order to listen to entities using both time slots you have to double them up, but I dont see how to do it since there is no place to enter the time slots except in the "DMR Parameters" window, like in pic below. And you only get ONE choice in that window. I hope I am making sense cause this is the only way I know how to describe my confusion.

I already answered that question above...

G5 question

I have a knob position set up with about 20 commercial business DMR freqs.....just local stuff. Suppose I just want to monitor ONE of those freqs? Is there some way to manually step thru the freqs till I get to the one I want to listen to? For example we had a BIG storm last night.....high...

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[blackbelter]

I am sure that everyone here is aware that Unication devices could only monitor conventional DMR systems.