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Or was it climate change? :unsure:

Pacific Gas & Electric, the largest U.S. utility, filed for bankruptcy protection on Tuesday and aims to reorganize its debts while its threatened with billions in potential liabilities after recent California wildfires.
The company cited hundreds of lawsuits from victims impacted by California wildfires from 2017 and 2018 when it announced this month that it planned to file for bankruptcy.
The utility filed documents in a U.S. court seeking Chapter 11 reorganization despite state investigators determining last week that its equipment was not to blame for a 2017 fire that killed 22 people in Northern California wine country.
Comments are great.

PG&E Corp. files for bankruptcy following wildfire claims

Now what does this have to do with the premise of global warming/climate change? Well, it's not that the temperatures have dipped to temperatures as if you were at flight level forty five thousand, but the sheer BS from the blame Trump got during the fires noted from these articles as just a small sampling.


https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/californias-gov-brown-global-warming-blame/

Blaming California Wildfires On Global Warming ‘Has Little Grounding In Fact,’ Scientist Says

"No matter how much brush you clear." Here’s How We Know Climate Change is to Blame for CA Fires | The Weather Channel

Unreal! That kind of moronic crap seems to suggest that one needs to get a refund from what ever college or university they attended. Probably went to UCBerkeley or Brown, in which case I don't blame your very bad common sense and lack for intellectual vigor.

Truth of the matter is that had there been brush cleared, etc, these fires would either not have happened and if they did it wouldn't have been so damn bad. But despite that, and the vector which is indeed a power company's, you have what amounts to is a flipping religon called "global warming/climate change" that is used as a scapegoat. Never mind the fact that most global warming studies are in large part garbage in, garbage out science. Are things changing on the planet in terms of climate? Yes. Is it human related? We can't at this time come to that conclusion. Especially given the science behind it and that global warming/climate change is a relatively new concept. In the 70's they said there was global cooling. Then I remember in the 80's it was all about toxic waste. They even made a B rated movie called the Toxic Avenger which latter on spurred a cartoon called Toxic Crusaders. Ever see the movie Men At Work? People, it seems, like to grasp onto horse ^&% for some odd reason. Like "chemtrails" or the benefits of copper, certain rocks, you freaking name it! We are a very odd carbon-based life form in this supercluster of some 500 million light years and beyond.

Now who's really at fault here? The state of California, or PG & E? Can you imagine if Californiastan were actually held liable? That money hungry state would fizzle out like a neutron star. And I imagine that will happen sooner rather than latter. It will start with the state lottery like Illinois.
 
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More troubling is that he and other of the global warming brigade want to stifle any possibility of dissent over their climate theories by demonizing those who disagree. Calling people "deniers" is a crude, not so subtle way of linking them to the phrase "holocaust deniers." It's a despicable abuse of language.


Does that mean climate change has nothing to do with fires? Not necessarily. If the climate were much hotter, things would be drier and more flammable. But average temperatures haven't changed in 20 years. What has changed is that millions of new people live in California, with more than ever living in remote places and others living in hundreds of thousands of new homes to the far edges of suburbia.


When fires do occur, they can quickly become cataclysmic. But don't take our word for it.


U.S. Geological Survey research scientist Jon Keeley has studied the origin of western fires since 1910. He says that 95% of all fires originate with humans. "This is a people problem," Keeley told The Mercury News. "What's changing is not the fires themselves but the fact that we have more and more people at risk.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/californias-gov-brown-global-warming-blame/

This is exactly what firefighters call urban interfacing. Or wildland-urban interface.
 

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The wild fires are one very small part of climate change. I would be much more worried about the ice caps melting at an alarming rate.

You can keep denying this forever. It wont change that we are in rapid fire climate change caused by mostly man made CO2 emissions.

Try reading what the educated scientists have to say, instead of trailing Trumps coat tails and the oil and gas industry.
 
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CO2 is a known greenhouse gas. In other words, it let's visible light in, which is absorbed by the ground. That energy is reradiated in the infrared up into the atmosphere. But CO2 doesn't allow infrared to pass, so it's absorbed. Absorbed energy turns to heat. It's a well understood mechanism.

Every year, billions of tons of carbon is removed from the ground, in the form of fossil fuels. It is combined with oxygen during the combustion process, and is released in the form of heat, the actual desired product, and CO2, the waste product. The CO2 is released into the atmosphere, where it absorbs infrared radiation from the earth, and converts it to heat.

I don't understand why conservatives cannot comprehend simple physics, like the chemistry and the conservation of energy.
 

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Another thing forgotten is--volcanos with the non-stop exhaust and gasses in the air all around the world

another tid bit---the forest---yah keep cutting down trees (the Developers) which take co2 and make o2 back to the air---the less trees the more co in the atmosphere which there inturn zz,s reply comes into light

Remember were our own worst enemy to this world
 
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Every year, billions of tons of carbon is removed from the ground...

And every year mankind moves forward in time with the progress of technology. You can start from the Industrial Revolution and see what we have today and marvel at our achievements thus far. Move more into the future and fossil fuel usage will in large part be a thing of the past.


The one thing that pisses me off is, why do we have to curb our carbon footprint when in fact it has been though an onslaught of regulations and red tape. Yet you have countries like China or India that could care less and are the biggest contributor of greenhouse gas emissions.

Once again though. I don't buy into the whole messed up religion that is "global warming/climate change" based on the fact the science has been manipulated. Remember Climategate?

In a nutshell, let technology progress. We don't need to enact job killing regulations and other BS to no end despite other countries not playing their part. In the end it cripples our own GDP outlook and jobs.

If the former President wanted to really tackle "global warming/climate change" he would have mandated all USPS vehicles use NG or were hybrids. What a joke.
 

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You just don't remember even 3 years ago. Mitch actually said his mandate was to resist and shutdown Obama. The house and senate were under republican control for the last 6 of the 8 years. Can't get much done that way.

Stop blaming everything on Obama. His hands were tied.
 
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I don't understand why conservatives cannot comprehend simple physics, like the chemistry and the conservation of energy.
Plant more trees! Question, how much C02 does a volcano release into the atmosphere? Answer, between about 180 and 440 million tons! Now combine that with millions of years of eruptions all over the planet since its formation one must ask how its possible that we are not Mars by now?
 
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Glow Ball warming


"The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change."

- socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, January 21, 2019, quoted for posterity


If the situation is as dire as she claims, she needs to propose we begin direct talks with China and India on how they are handling their environments and, if they don't change their ways in six weeks or so, we are going to have to declare war.
After all, we've only got 12 years and those two countries are the big polluters. Hell, the U.S. is pristine compared to those two.
 

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The Green New Deal is a four part program for moving America quickly out of crisis...:poop:
Green New Deal

What? A made up crisis to go socialism. Throw the word green in, sprinkle in government jobs for all, free healthcare, a socialist government, and did they say hug a tree? And they want to do this in 12 years? :ROFLMAO: Guess they forgot all about the science unless they have this guy. :alien:

Lets see where solar and wind will take us...

How far is that 787 gonna get you?

How about that cross country trip in a car with five adults?

How warm would you be able to stay this week?

How many jobs will be lost compared the minimal gains touted?

One of the largest sectors, energy as we know it, would tank along with many of those jobs.

What country is exporting the most natural gas and oil now?
 

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Glow Ball warming


"The world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change."

- socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, January 21, 2019, quoted for posterity


If the situation is as dire as she claims, she needs to propose we begin direct talks with China and India on how they are handling their environments and, if they don't change their ways in six weeks or so, we are going to have to declare war.
After all, we've only got 12 years and those two countries are the big polluters. Hell, the U.S. is pristine compared to those two.
That's what the Paris Climate Accord is all about. Without the US leading that initiative, not very much pressure is going to be put on China and India. This is very typical of Trump. Any complicated issues, treaties or agreements that he is too lazy or ignorant to work on, he just pulls out.
A very noticeable pattern with this guy. He is hurting America across the board.
 
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Another Trump Miracle: US Predicted to Drill More Oil Than Saudi Arabia and Russia Combined by 2025!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...han-saudi-arabia-and-russia-combined-by-2025/

US Oil Production To Surpass Russia, Saudi Arabia Combined In 2025

Obama had a policy of preventing oil drilling in the US and this only prevented the US from being energy independent from oil producers elsewhere. It made no sense unless Obama wanted to keep the US poor and dependent.
President Trump opened up the US for drilling for oil by eliminating unnecessary regulations hindering drilling at home. As a result the US is becoming richer and more energy independent. It is miraculous that the US is in this situation in only a few years.
DRILL BABY DRILL!
 

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Disputes over the key scientific facts of global warming are more prevalent in the media than in the scientific literature. "Global warming" and "climate change" are based on computer models and not on actual scientific facts.
 
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