Groom Lake audio 7/26/2012

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gariac

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You might have to drop that "king of all monitoring" moniker. ;-)

Groom Lake radio traffic is different from the TTR. The easiest difference to note is that a plane leaving KLAS as a Janet lands at the TTR as a Janet. There is no callsign change.

Aircraft landing at Groom Lake do not use the Janet callsign unless the pilot screws up. The 737s leave as a Janet, but once switched to Groom Lake approach, they use the callsign of the month. In this particular recording, the callsign of the month is Cheetah. The flight number changes as well, not using any obvious formula.

The Beech "Janets" leave KLAS using their N-number. They use the callsign of the month once on Groom approach, but the digit is generally the last number in the N-number. For instance Cheetah Zero would be N20RA.

Further, there is no "Balmy Breeze" or "Sidewinder Ops" at the TTR.

The big difference between Groom Lake ATC and the TTR ATC is that there are published frequencies and diagrams for the TTR. Not so for Groom Lake. Well at least not that the general public can acquire.
 

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Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (BlackBerry; U; BlackBerry 9780; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.8+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/6.0.0.723 Mobile Safari/534.8+)

Good point about Silverbow. Also KTNX doesn't have an aproach/departure frequency. Aircraft just contact the tower.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KTNX

TQQ on the VOR is a mystery. The old "XSD", sometimes listed for Tonopah Test Range, is related to the defunct NDB the facility had used.
 

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Last month our aircraft was Bluedog 02 while we were doing ops at Groom. Tactical calls are ALWAYS used.
 

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i have spoken to a couple business owners in Rachael and Alamo Nevada who have both articulated interesting stories about the testing of lasers during cloudy nights. I'm asking for any feedback on scanning that area from Las Vegas, so I can get up there to see the testing? Thank you for any feedback and I am very new to this and have a uniden bc346xt.
 

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Anything you are able to listen to on the TRS for that area will not reflect what testing is ongoing. All testing activities are encrypted.
 

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Generally military lasers are infrared. So when people see lasers, well ya know, I doubt the stories. Now you can see tracers, even those IR tracers because the spectrum of the IR tracers isn't very pure. The gun ships spit bullets out so fast the tracers look like laser beams. I have witnessed this first hand.

There are ranges designated for laser use, but on the west side of the range. From Alamo, you are more likely to see Range 61 in use. It would be a good research project to see which ranges allow lasers

There is laser ranging to measure cloud heights, but I don't know if they are visible.

Regarding hearing tests on the TRS, you hear nothing on the EDACS system. It is encrypted 100% of the time. The UHF/VHF air traffic is in the clear, but they talk in code. If the base wanted to, they could use encrypted radios. I think they go for simple AM aircraft comms for safety reasons.

The P16 and P25 systems have comms in the clear, but I don't know if Groom is using either of those systems. Eventually I think the P16 and EDACS system will be history and the range plus Base Camp will be P25. It must be tough to keep the old EDACS system running.
 
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