Since Htfd fire moved off EDACS, I have been attempting to determine how to program my SDS200. Since Bloomfield PD has gone to CLMRN, I figured Htfd Fire Dispatch would be using the same site frequencies (Hartford), so I just added the Htfd Fire Dispatch TG to Bloomfield’s PD TG listing… just to see if this was in fact the case. Apparently it was because I can now hear Htfd FD dispatch. But because the Htfd FD tac channels, referred to in this forum as 1-5, are P25 conventional channels, I have more work to do. So I started to read up on the subject and came across this… “ I think it's ridiculous they named it that. There's no trunking involved and it's no different than conventional P25 operation. A "talkgroup" (naming shared between trunking and conventional, yet are two different things) will always be sent with P25 conventional operation, same as with the NAC”. This was submitted by WayneH. He was speaking in general terms, not specifically about HFD. This confused me. Up to this point, I’ve been making programming changes to HFD dispatch manually, and to continue manually concerning the 1-5 tac channels (P25 conventional) has only made things worse. So for now I’m just going to use the easier method of programming the tac channels by downloading from RR and installing into the SDS200 automatically. I’ll get it sooner or later but for the time being I’d like to ask the group… Am I correct in understanding I must program two systems, one for the CLMRN dispatch TG and another for the 1-5 tac channels? How would you suggest I set up the scanner, I’d like to have the top line in the display read “Hartford Fire”, and the second line “Dispatch”, “Tac 1”, “Tac 2” etc. but I doubt that’s a possibility, I believe a second system is required for the tac channels. I am not understanding why HFD did not do as New Britain FD did where all their channels are assigned different TG’s on CLMRN. Perhaps if I saw how others have programmed HFD I could glean a better understanding of how HFD works. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Two separate systems.
One for the CLMRN trunk system, the other for the P25 conventional repeaters.
If you want to be able to see unit IDs (numbers, not names) you use Uniden's single channel trunking for the Conventional channels.
One for the CLMRN trunk system, the other for the P25 conventional repeaters.
If you want to be able to see unit IDs (numbers, not names) you use Uniden's single channel trunking for the Conventional channels.
Thanks. I give it a try. Any idea why HFD didn’t do as New Britain?
my guess would be money $$ and the Police and other services are using those frequencies still.
Possible. But it looks like they divorced themselves from EDACS completely… didn’t they replace all the base, mobile and portable radios in the FD?… from the EDACS system to new? I doubt the EDACS radios would be able to work on the new system? I wouldn’t think frequencies would be a stumbling block, they already put dispatch on CLMRN, so why not use the same site frequencies for the tac channels too? …just spitballing here, I know nothing about it other than they got off a EDACS trunked system for good reason, obsolescence, no support, no parts…but they kept the trunking option for dispatch on CLMRN. I’ve not heard how that came to be, not that I have a need to know, I don’t, just curious. I thought the history of the changeover would be interesting.
well its a developing saga I guess. PD still on EDACS so far still the same. More changes are coming we will just stand by and see.
Hartford FD active on 154.3100 again with fireground channels only. Dispatch TG still only on CLMRN
Having issues receiving Hartford Fire on the CLMRN on a BCD996p2. Have the system setup the same as Troop H and New Britain. It appears that the Control Channel is not making the trip out to Plainville. Anyone have any info? Thanks.
MarkB513
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I would think you would have better luck with New Britain's simulcast in that area. I know H's system is very spotty at best in part's of Farmington on 84 and especially the exit 39A area, but the NB simulcast solve that coverage problem for me.
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When I mentioned "H" I was referring to Troop H, not the city of Hartford. And I do hear Hartford fire over NB's simulcast.
I use the New Britain Simulcast site for New Britain FD. The frequencies are listed as 854.3625, 855.9625, 856.2125, 857.2125, 858.2125, 859.2125 MHz. The LCN IS 0 for all.
Hartford FD uses the Hartford site. Those frequencies are 772.3825 LCN 1, 771.80625 LCN 2, 771.30625 LCN 3, 770.25625 LCN 4.
What I ask is why New Britain does not assign LCN but Hartford does?
Hartford FD uses the Hartford site. Those frequencies are 772.3825 LCN 1, 771.80625 LCN 2, 771.30625 LCN 3, 770.25625 LCN 4.
What I ask is why New Britain does not assign LCN but Hartford does?
I always hear Hartford FD on Troop H simulcast & Hartford standalone. I have heard them on Troop B, l, and Troop C HOWEVER, it was rare and I haven't seen them on B & L since April.
Unless the group is made to always be heard (usually for pagers), it needs a radio to affiliate to then have the group traffic be broadcast.
Not sure where you are seeing LCNs but the P25 channel numbers are typically transmitted along with the band plan. Channel numbers for CLMRN are not 1, 2, 3, 4.
Hartford site is for traffic in the city. CT Transit, CSP, HFD, CT DOT, Bloomfield PD & EMS, UCONN PD, DEMHS all seen today on the Hartford site.
chris
Unless the group is made to always be heard (usually for pagers), it needs a radio to affiliate to then have the group traffic be broadcast.
Not sure where you are seeing LCNs but the P25 channel numbers are typically transmitted along with the band plan. Channel numbers for CLMRN are not 1, 2, 3, 4.
Hartford site is for traffic in the city. CT Transit, CSP, HFD, CT DOT, Bloomfield PD & EMS, UCONN PD, DEMHS all seen today on the Hartford site.
chris
I would suggest putting Hartford FD Dispatch under it's own group quick key and then set up a separate system for the P25 Fireground channels. Troop H simulcast is one of the busiest in the system and if you are more interested in HFD than all the other users, you may want to be able to separate them.
The CLMRN Hartford site is licensed at 505 Hudson St on top of a 10 story state leased office building.
Hartford's EDACS and conventional radios are on top of the Hartford Insurance Group (HIG) building at 690 Asylum Ave. That is a 22 story high rise office building.
West Hartford P25 TRS has a site on the HIG roof alongside the Hartford equipment and there was discussion about the city joining that system. There are even talkgroups on the WH system for HFD & HPD but they are unused.
chris
The CLMRN Hartford site is licensed at 505 Hudson St on top of a 10 story state leased office building.
Hartford's EDACS and conventional radios are on top of the Hartford Insurance Group (HIG) building at 690 Asylum Ave. That is a 22 story high rise office building.
West Hartford P25 TRS has a site on the HIG roof alongside the Hartford equipment and there was discussion about the city joining that system. There are even talkgroups on the WH system for HFD & HPD but they are unused.
chris
I have a "Department" for Hartford in my CLMRN system file. I also have a Hartford County conventional system that has among other things those P25 fireground channels.
And of course EDACS since the police are still on it. Or were in early July when I was last there.
My typical route through CT takes me down I-84 into Hartford. From there, depending on my destination I either stay on I-84 into New York or down I-91. Since I always end up going through Hartford, I have a lot of the frequencies and systems for the area programmed in.
And of course EDACS since the police are still on it. Or were in early July when I was last there.
My typical route through CT takes me down I-84 into Hartford. From there, depending on my destination I either stay on I-84 into New York or down I-91. Since I always end up going through Hartford, I have a lot of the frequencies and systems for the area programmed in.
…Not sure where I picked up the LCN’s. I believe it was from an automatic download using the Butel software. It’s been my understanding that EDACS needed LCN’s but not other trunked systems in the area unless they were also EDACS. I will look at my programming again using the Butel ARC software and see if I can determine why I see LCN’s on the CLMRN system. I do remember questioning why they were listed when not needed because the system is not EDACS…
All good info, thanks for the replies. I may sound naive, I've certainly programmed a lot of scanners, but what is an LCN? Also, how do I change what site is received? I use Freescan for programming. Thanks
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LCN is Logical Channel Number
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