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One big mess, been using a SmarT a long time so thought I would condense given the RX888 does the same thing, plus
my 6 to 240 meter listening. Problem here is the 888 only works with HDSDR and that is the worst software I have seen.
SDR# tries to connect then freezes to shutdown. SDR console can't even find the 888.Anybody Know the RX888 and drivers that worked such problems, I could use some help getting this to run with SDR# or console.
Bad enough I have antenna issues. Now it is sanitary, looks nice, but works like crap.
 

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I'm not a fan of the chipset they chose for the '888 because of all the driver baggage. Your experience confirms it.
 

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Just like any other SDR and they have the new chip in the markII.(not really new,LG has been using it in the 4G TVs)
The driver set is the USB driver (Cyrus) ,the DLLs(2) for the hardware >>all with windows installer,,no more Zadig.
I just want to get this working with SDR#. (SDR console acceptable.)
HDSDR is junk, bad reception, output unusable for any decoding, audio is 20% distorted with noise making plain FM voice unintelligible. That shown with 3 different dongles.
 
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I find it strange that you're deeming HDSDR "junk". It happens to be my go-to application using my SDRPlay RSP2 and IC-R8600.
Perhaps it's actually the chinesium SDR you have that is really the issue. I know I get no crashes using HDSDR. I also use a few other applications including SDR-Console and SDR# with the USRP interface to allow me to use EXTIO.dll's for the 2 radios. Rock solid performance.
My main laptop is an I7-6500 running at 2.66GHz with 12 gigs of RAM.
Mention in forums of needing a lot of USB power, CPU intensive, lack of an FPGA, some happy with it, others not so much. I dont know. But one in the know guy said he would just have to walk away. And he stated valid reasons when he did.
I respect lab reports. But reports from hands-on users is most important to me when selecting a new piece of equipment.
I do a lot of digital decoding and voice monitoring and use VB-Audio Virtual cable. Tons of HF DXing. There are big differences in a $200 radio and one costing 10 times as much.
I still launch HDSDR when I want to use my SDR radios. It is definitely not "junk".
Simple and straight forward. Just like a real radio should be.
 

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Perhaps this is just the second 'experimental' HDSDR I have installed, it is the 3rd beta release.
Just too many things I dislike besides my bad performance experience. Things like settings don't stay where set. IE: change bandwidth, 'EVERYTHING' except frequency reverts to defaults and have to readjust the settings. One of several user UN friendly things after 2 version installs has left a bad taste for me.
YES, this is Chinese, just like yours. I have been following the development of the RX888 since it was the "Grashopper", then dragonfly. then RX666, and now the 888. ALL got good reviews on QSL.net and SWLing.com, including engineers synopsis. That is why I went for it.
Compared, your RSP2 is standard definition, the 888 high definition. 16 bit ADC greatly improves dynamic range.
Now the extIO_sddc is only 3 months old and coded for the new ADC chip in the markII (what I have)
First stop was github consulting the developers and they have no clues.(looking into the matter)
VBaudio I had to remove because it hyjacked my audio so use outbord/stand alone decoders, and I do a LOT of that. What I have is so awful with HDSDR, nothing decodes. Voice is un-intelligable and consider,,the same with airspy and SmarT dongles. Fine with SDR# and console.
 

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I'm compelled to reply. Unlike your radio my RSP2 is not a clone. Assembled in Asia from designs and a BOM of specific components is a little different than a copied device that resembles the original. Just look at the numerous NanoVNA versions out there. They look the same, but work the same they don't. And thinking that they have an original, they brick them doing a simple firmware upgrade.

Do you look at your task manager while you're using the radio to check for CPU or memory spikes? And it's mentioned over and over that you need an adequate USB power bus to operate your radio.....again mentioned all over.....to keep the radio from crashing software.
You didn't mention the PC you're using and its hardware resources. Or if the OS is old and "tired".
And the GPU. Offloading tasks to something like Nvidia graphics compared to Intel Integrated Graphics works wonders.
An example. I have a CPU intensive application that performs, lets say, 32,000 operation/sec. using the CPU setting.
Switch it over the the Nvidia card to run the same application and it zips along at 240,000,000 ops/sec.
A reinstall works wonders for many having issues on old, used, balky systems.
SDR-Console. Have you tried that? Simon is always on top of things.

Hey, SDRPlay makes higher res SDR's. I just happen to use mine that I've had for 3 years now. Good enough for me currently.
And it happens to to suit my frequency ranges fine.
In WIndows, VB-Cable does take a little getting familiar with. Getting your audio settings matched up and such takes a little time.
Understanding what's going on and how to fix it when things don't play right is just a learning process.

Keep at it. I'm sure you'll get what works for you working smoothly eventually. Troubleshoot a little before you blame it on junk.
Even though the word "Clone" raises a red flag every time for me.
Good Luck!
 

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VB audio cable doesn't hijack your audio, whatever that means.
It means no audio with any multimedia, no audio with movie player, no audio with youbes, no audio playing music and no fix found for that.
 

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I'm compelled to reply. Unlike your radio my RSP2 is not a clone. Assembled in Asia from designs and a BOM of specific components is a little different than a copied device that resembles the original. Just look at the numerous NanoVNA versions out there. They look the same, but work the same they don't. And thinking that they have an original, they brick them doing a simple firmware upgrade.

Do you look at your task manager while you're using the radio to check for CPU or memory spikes? And it's mentioned over and over that you need an adequate USB power bus to operate your radio.....again mentioned all over.....to keep the radio from crashing software.
You didn't mention the PC you're using and its hardware resources. Or if the OS is old and "tired".
And the GPU. Offloading tasks to something like Nvidia graphics compared to Intel Integrated Graphics works wonders.
An example. I have a CPU intensive application that performs, lets say, 32,000 operation/sec. using the CPU setting.
Switch it over the the Nvidia card to run the same application and it zips along at 240,000,000 ops/sec.
A reinstall works wonders for many having issues on old, used, balky systems.
SDR-Console. Have you tried that? Simon is always on top of things.

Hey, SDRPlay makes higher res SDR's. I just happen to use mine that I've had for 3 years now. Good enough for me currently.
And it happens to to suit my frequency ranges fine.
In WIndows, VB-Cable does take a little getting familiar with. Getting your audio settings matched up and such takes a little time.
Understanding what's going on and how to fix it when things don't play right is just a learning process.

Keep at it. I'm sure you'll get what works for you working smoothly eventually. Troubleshoot a little before you blame it on junk.
Even though the word "Clone" raises a red flag every time for me.
Good Luck!
Nor is my RX888 a clone, but just like your RSP2 it definitely is assembled with Chinese parts.
Yes, I do have the original NanoVNA-H4 that is not a clone,,'also made with Chinese parts'.
My puter is a 20 month old Dell, core i5 1.8 Ghz, 8 GB ram, running Win10. A fully compliant USB3 port.
The overhead on cpu power comes from the software that does the DSP. that takes a lot of resource.
HDSDR will peak at 80%.
The problem is NOT hardware related according to the folks that put out the RX888 and the drivers.
I am not the only one with similar issues and the originators are looking into the problem.
'Again' HDSDR never has worked to my satisfaction, I uninstalled it a few years back for similar reasons.
and that was with an older airspy and rtl-sdr dongls. no problems with SDR# or SDRconsole, works fine.
I will be testing on a newer version of SDR# and hope I don't go bad to worse for the work.
Hey, where do you get SDRplay makes higher res devices. I compared and don't see that.
Hey, I have been troubleshooting SDR since mid 80s so likely a pro at it.
I turned an old VHF Delta SX into SDR.
Now if what you are using fills your bill then run with it. I am the sort (stubborn) who works a problem to solution, so I will work this out, Just like the Delta(that took a year) just hoping to get some help so this doesn't take a year. I don't often need help, but you never get it without asking.
 

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It means no audio with any multimedia, no audio with movie player, no audio with youbes, no audio playing music and no fix found for that.
When you install VB Cable, it sets itself as the default audio device, which is pretty dumb and rude, IMO. All you have to do is set the default back to whatever device you want, which is probably the built in sound card device, "Speakers", or whatever else it's named. Anyone who's used Windows for a while should know their way around the Control Panel app.
 

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i don't recall who had this tip first, but I have used it a lot now that my job has been using Teams....it will give you easy access to your sound settings.

C:\Windows\System32\control.exe mmsys.cpl sounds

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I recommend Virtual Cable Lite the free version of Virtual Cable. It won't mess with your default sound settings like VB-Cable does. Virtual Cable Lite is limited to one virtual cable.
 

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i don't recall who had this tip first, but I have used it a lot now that my job has been using Teams....it will give you easy access to your sound settings.

C:\Windows\System32\control.exe mmsys.cpl sounds

Mike
Not seeing how that's easier than Start / Control Panel / Sound
 

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Maybe because that doesn't work on my Win10 home 64 bit machine. Create a shortcut with that command, one double click and I'm there....Mike
 

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When you install VB Cable, it sets itself as the default audio device, which is pretty dumb and rude, IMO. All you have to do is set the default back to whatever device you want, which is probably the built in sound card device, "Speakers", or whatever else it's named. Anyone who's used Windows for a while should know their way around the Control Panel app.
On my machine the only recourse was un installing VB cable.Couldn't change any defaults.
Umm, been a widows guru since it was V3 and ran on DOS 6, so yea.
Truth told, I don't need VB cable for most of my decoding is stand alone that I also use with my scanner and a couple modded LMRs. seems more headache for the results. I can still use such as DSD+ which was the only advantage of VB cable.
 

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Works for me:

Now you may ask yourself. "Self, why don't I see my app in the list?"
Launch the app the take a look. It will be there.
Yep,,there they are big as life and also greyd out with no ability to select them. 'Now what'.
 

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Back to my issue, after blowing out my SmarT drivers with Zadig, I started from scratch and at least the drivers are now installed and working. One part of a compound problem solved.
As for HDSDR, I said a mouthfull saying you need lots of system resources, My new Dell is just too anemic to run it. The RX888 will run on SDRsharper 'IF' you can get it to connect, and do some setting changes.
My Dell won't let me get that far. So,,the conclusion is I need a $2000 computer just to run HDSDR so I can use the RX888. All back in the box and drag out my rats nest and use that til this new(#4) computer comes along.
 
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