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iMONITOR

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High-Tech Radio Net Silences Scanners :D
http://www.lakecountybanner.com/news.php?viewStory=1364


It might be hard to find a county in the state more in tune with their police scanners than this one.

That has all changed during the past thirty days with the installation of a new, state-of-the-art digital radio system at the Lake County Jail that has all but eliminated the public’s ability to scan law enforcement transmissions.

For years the county sheriff’s department radio network, also used by the city police and fire departments, has been a sure and fast way to alert countians from everything to approaching bad weather to school cancellations to even the announcement of important athletic victories.

The new system cost $120,000—all paid through 911 funding—and makes Lake County among the most modern in the state for counties of this size.

“It has ruffled a few feathers but we believe safety of our officers is the first and foremost concern,” said Ridgely police chief Glen Floyd who is director of the county 911 board and a key player in the installation of the new system.

Doug Robertson, chairman of the 911 board, believes the system is the most modern in West Tennessee. “It should do us for years and years to come.”

And the old sheriff’s department network is still functional and in use. “In fact, the dispatcher can broadcast on both the new digital and the old net simultaneously in a situation like bad weather,” Floyd said.

Ridgely assistant chief Kenny Lee believes that 90% of the county has been listening to radio dispatches on the old network. Floyd thinks it might be as high as 75%. Whatever, it has been an extremely high percentage and Floyd believes that it was becoming increasingly dangerous for county and city officers.

“We are outgunned and outnumbered anyway,” he said. “It got so we would be going to someone’s house for an arrest or to question and that person would know that we were coming before we got there.”

That is not the case now.

“We had a wreck the other night and the only people who showed up were the ones we called,” said Floyd. “In the past we have had a lot of people we call ambulance chasers and crowd control has been a problem at wrecks and emergencies.”

The Lake County 911 board approved the new radios before Christmas and then a plan and a budget had to be presented to and approved by the state 911 board.

The frequency of the new county radio network is kept highly secret and it would take a digital receiver to pick up the signals if a person had the frequency.

“Somewhere, somebody will pay $1,000 and eventually, they will get it,” said Robertson. “But for now, it seems very secure.”

“We have caught some flack and expected to,” said Floyd. “But it has been less than we expected.”

The system was installed by West Tennessee Communications and within about ten days after installation, lightning hit the cell tower at Madie knocking it out and the Sheriff’s Department went back to the old net as a backup.

The lightning strike cost about $8-10,000 to repair.

The frequency is shared with the fire departments with the chiefs and assistant chiefs in Tiptonville and Ridgely each having a radio (cost, approximately $1,200 each) and the director of the Lake County EMS.

And with the digital system, there are no “dead zones” in the county where the radios will not reach.

“Now we can talk from Tank Two to the Airpark,” said Roberson.

Floyd said that Sheriff’s Department investigator Joe Vernon reached the Lake County Jail from the Weakley County Jail in Dresden last week and deputy Danny Tippit was able to contact the dispatcher from Covington.

The next step in the system is the installation of GPS tracking devices on every patrol car in the county that would give their position on a computer screen in the dispatcher’s office. That is being implemented right now. “Such a system would have helped in a case where the trooper was killed near Fayette County,” said Floyd. “The dispatcher could have looked on the screen and seen his exact position.”

“The benefits far outweigh the detractions,” said Roberson. “If they (persons complaining about not being able to listen to law enforcement traffic) had friends and family out there, it might make a difference.”
 

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OMG! They are on a single repeated P25 digital channel and that's going to prevent scanner listeners from tuning in to "the most modern system in the state"? And this Robertson character thinks somone will have to pay $1,000 to get a digital scanner and the "secret" digital frequency?

The good thing about Tennessee is that it makes our communications managers in Alabama look like geniuses. :)
 

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Sounds like they've been talking to one of those city slickers from Motorola! :wink:
 

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The frequency of the new county radio network is kept highly secret and it would take a digital receiver to pick up the signals if a person had the frequency.


ROFL, nice :) Apparently they haven't heard of the FCC..
 
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Would someone please stream the new frequency and send a link to the genius who ordered that system? That's assuming they have a computer and know how to turn it on. Tham cumputers ur digital ya know....
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“We are outgunned and outnumbered anyway,” he said. “It got so we would be going to someone’s house for an arrest or to question and that person would know that we were coming before we got there.”

That is not the case now.

“We had a wreck the other night and the only people who showed up were the ones we called,” said Floyd. “In the past we have had a lot of people we call ambulance chasers and crowd control has been a problem at wrecks and emergencies.”

The Lake County 911 board approved the new radios before Christmas and then a plan and a budget had to be presented to and approved by the state 911 board.

The frequency of the new county radio network is kept highly secret and it would take a digital receiver to pick up the signals if a person had the frequency.

“Somewhere, somebody will pay $1,000 and eventually, they will get it,” said Robertson. “But for now, it seems very secure.”

“We have caught some flack and expected to,” said Floyd. “But it has been less than we expected.”
Oh, the misinformed!!!
 

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Sounds like something I heard from a radio tech last year while getting my XTS programmed. He said that a nearby county was going P25 "so crooks couldn't listen". I don't exactly recall what I said, but it was basically "watch who you're saying that to". :lol:
 

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That certainly looks like a massive braintrust in the picture.
Couldn't see the guy in the middle.
He was wearing camouflage.
I wonder if it was digital to match his radio.
 
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Technology

I also have experience with people mistakenly believing that they can't be monitored. Perhaps they should spend some time on this site ? This is where I've learned a lot of information.
 

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Motorola = Mr. Haney?

Is the Police Chief's name Floyd, as in the Floyd the barber from Mayberry? I remember when the local Motorola smartnet system was rolled out years ago and the then Chief said it could only be monitored with " high tech equipment, not readily available to the average citizen".......
 

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Somebody ought to re-transmit the decoded audio from the new "secret" frequency
on a MURS channel from a high point in town.

Then that "90%" wont feel left out.
 
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What idiots. :roll:

I agree with hoser147 - just let them think they are unmonitorable. Otherwise, word will get back to the salesman who will say "Oh well for an additional fee, we can fix that" and then they really will be.

Of course if the scanner listeners out there weren't a bunch of ambo chasing goobers the new system would probably have never been purchased. So you can't fully blame the agencies that switched. Hopefully those scanner listeners will learn to listen at home from now on.

-AZ
 

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Its funny when they roll out their new "encrypted" and "high-tech" radio system than no one can monitor. Then someone just walks in with their scanner and starts listening, thats what someone ought to do over there
 

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same happened with OPP here in Ontario they thought they were un-monitorable until tow trucks started showing up with digital scanners.

Sounds like a sales guy giving it to them
and yes watch them say well for another x amount you can go encrypted
 

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$120,000 for the new system? Must be a very small agency.
I was thinking the same thing...wonder if they bought it on eBay? I mean if it cost $10,000 to fix a lighting strike, they must have lost the entire repeater, controller, antenna, duplexer, and feedline based on the total cost of the system! :lol:

Edit: Just looked at the dealer's web site, I just love the tag line:
Nobody sells more communications for less than WETEC.
I think something is missing there...like a customer reality check in relation to monitoring.
 
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