Hi all, New at this and love it. I would like to know is there a way to get frequencies that police use that we can't get? I live in Liberal Kansas and my brother is a Detective and he will no let me have them. Is there a way to get them, and how do I get a Frequency finder ? Galaxy had on with C.B. radios now I can't find one. Help anybody.
How to get, Hard to get Frequency?
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Unless the police are using a frequency that is unlicensed, all police frequencies can be found in the FCC's online database. What the FCC's database does not tell you is what they use them for. So your new best friend is this website!RatFink57 said:
Welcome!Go to the top of this page and click on the link that says: "Database". Then click on Kansas, next click on the Kansas county that Liberal is in and you should be able to see all of the frequencies that we know about. If there are any unknown ones, click on the link down at the bottom of the page that says: "Display Unidentified FCC Licenses for County:" plug those into your scanner and start listening. Once you have a match, come back here and let everyone know about.
Your own brother, eh? That is a shame.
http://www.optoelectronics.com
Have your tried our database?
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&ctid=971
Used to go to Beaver all the time, good scannin' up there.
Jim
http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&ctid=971
Used to go to Beaver all the time, good scannin' up there.
Jim
Mick
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Howdy. First check the Liberal PD frqs. at http://www.radioreference.com/modules.php?name=RR&ctid=971
(453.15, 453.475, 453.675, & 453.70 under WNBJ765). If one of those is not the frq. you're looking for, then use your scanner to search 453-454 and 460.00-460.625 MHz.
I'd also check out frqs. under WPQD246: 465.125, 465.20, & 465.30 MHz (Eligibility:
90.20 - APPLICANT IS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. RADIOS WILL BE USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONDUCT OF OFFICIAL POLICE ACTIVITIES OF THE CITY OF LIBERAL, KANSAS).
(453.15, 453.475, 453.675, & 453.70 under WNBJ765). If one of those is not the frq. you're looking for, then use your scanner to search 453-454 and 460.00-460.625 MHz.
I'd also check out frqs. under WPQD246: 465.125, 465.20, & 465.30 MHz (Eligibility:
90.20 - APPLICANT IS A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. RADIOS WILL BE USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONDUCT OF OFFICIAL POLICE ACTIVITIES OF THE CITY OF LIBERAL, KANSAS).
hoser147
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lTry postin on the Kansas Forum someone there im sure will have them, tell your brother it really doesnt matter youll get them anyhow and his co workers will still think he gave em to ya.......................Your in the right place also see if there are some Yahoo Groups for your area, another great place for info or files. God speed Good Scanin Hoser147
In many cases th FD and PD don't know the freqs to give them to you, they just use the radio and pick the assigned channel off of their channel selector (which more likely than not makes no ref to the freq).
kc2kth
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Either he doesn't know, or they aren't legal
Like has been mentioned elsewhere here, either he doesn't know the frequencies himself, or he knows they are using unlicensed frequencies illegally. Most police officers aren't into scanning and typically (from my experience) know very little about the radio systems they use unless their job requires them to maintain the system.
RatFink57 said:
Like has been mentioned elsewhere here, either he doesn't know the frequencies himself, or he knows they are using unlicensed frequencies illegally. Most police officers aren't into scanning and typically (from my experience) know very little about the radio systems they use unless their job requires them to maintain the system.
I can vouch for what bwhite says. Many of the people at the firestation where I volunteer at do not know a thing about the radio system other then how to use the radios. I onced asked one of the full time staff at another station in another county if they were running a digital or analog system and he had no clue.
Al42
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crayon said:
I love their Xplorer. One of their better receivers and all it does is Uniden's CC - for $200 more than the BCD396T.
I'm not convinced that a frequency counter is really the solution. After all, you're looking for what appears to be a sensitive police frequency. A frequency counter would require you to be in close proximity to the radios involved, and this could tempt you to get a little too close to a police activity that you should keep your distance from.
Using your search mode, or programming some memory banks with likely frequencies is a far better approach. It will increase the distance from which you can hear, hone your skills as a scanner user, and keep you from doing something that makes the situation turn negative.
Possible negative outcomes:
1 - Police realize how interested you are in their freqs, and become inhibited in what they say over them. Or...you cause them to be wary of you personally.
2 - You get too close to a situation while trying to get a reading on your counter and prompt your local government to restrict scanner use. That's how some of these laws get their origins.
I recommend that you find your freqs the hard way, and let the police talk comfortably. Ignorance truly is bliss when it's a radio user who is ignorant of your interest in their conversations.
I don't see a mention of what model scanner you have. Is it one with "signal-stalker" or the Uniden equivalent? Scanners with this feature work at greater distances than counters. If so equipped, you could do some scanning near (but not TOO near) a police transmitter site, and see if they have something unusual coming from their base station.
Personally, I have fallen in love with trunked systems. Once you figure out the system, you already know the frequencies and have only to search for new talkgroups. This can be comfortably done at distances 30 miles or more away from the action in some cases.
Also understand that sensitive police frequencies and talkgroups might be used only on occasion. Be patient and keep scanning. Much of the fun is in the hunt itself.
73/Allen (N4JRI)
Using your search mode, or programming some memory banks with likely frequencies is a far better approach. It will increase the distance from which you can hear, hone your skills as a scanner user, and keep you from doing something that makes the situation turn negative.
Possible negative outcomes:
1 - Police realize how interested you are in their freqs, and become inhibited in what they say over them. Or...you cause them to be wary of you personally.
2 - You get too close to a situation while trying to get a reading on your counter and prompt your local government to restrict scanner use. That's how some of these laws get their origins.
I recommend that you find your freqs the hard way, and let the police talk comfortably. Ignorance truly is bliss when it's a radio user who is ignorant of your interest in their conversations.
I don't see a mention of what model scanner you have. Is it one with "signal-stalker" or the Uniden equivalent? Scanners with this feature work at greater distances than counters. If so equipped, you could do some scanning near (but not TOO near) a police transmitter site, and see if they have something unusual coming from their base station.
Personally, I have fallen in love with trunked systems. Once you figure out the system, you already know the frequencies and have only to search for new talkgroups. This can be comfortably done at distances 30 miles or more away from the action in some cases.
Also understand that sensitive police frequencies and talkgroups might be used only on occasion. Be patient and keep scanning. Much of the fun is in the hunt itself.
73/Allen (N4JRI)
bl86
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Re:Finding Hard to Find Freqs
Hello,
I found that in the county I live that the sheriffs dept is indeed using several unlicensed channels that they will often rotate. One was even in the railroad band but it sure wasn't the railroad police! I found them all the hard way just leaving a few scanners on search on different ranges especially when they say "Go to the other one" or "Go to Private" and you don't hear them anymore. I'll leave 2 or 3 scanners on search all week sometimes just trying to find something new. It can take plenty of time and patience but you can find them one way or another. Good luck!
BL
Hello,
I found that in the county I live that the sheriffs dept is indeed using several unlicensed channels that they will often rotate. One was even in the railroad band but it sure wasn't the railroad police! I found them all the hard way just leaving a few scanners on search on different ranges especially when they say "Go to the other one" or "Go to Private" and you don't hear them anymore. I'll leave 2 or 3 scanners on search all week sometimes just trying to find something new. It can take plenty of time and patience but you can find them one way or another. Good luck!
BL
Police use of unlicensed frequencies is perfectly legal, with certain restrictions, especially as to output power, so they don't interfere with licensed users.
In 47 CFR § 90.20, in the FCC regulations it says, among a BUNCH of other stuff,
"5) A Police licensee may use, without special authorization from the Commission, any mobile service frequency between 40 and 952 MHz, listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, for communications in connection with physical surveillance, stakeouts, raids, and other such activities. Such use shall be on a secondary basis to operations of licensees regularly authorized on the assigned frequencies."
The whole thing is at http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/...ss.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/octqtr/pdf/47cfr90.20.pdf
or http://tinyurl.com/bmtwl
This "unlicensed use" stuff is on page 271 there.
Harry
In 47 CFR § 90.20, in the FCC regulations it says, among a BUNCH of other stuff,
"5) A Police licensee may use, without special authorization from the Commission, any mobile service frequency between 40 and 952 MHz, listed in paragraph (c)(3) of this section, for communications in connection with physical surveillance, stakeouts, raids, and other such activities. Such use shall be on a secondary basis to operations of licensees regularly authorized on the assigned frequencies."
The whole thing is at http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/...ss.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/octqtr/pdf/47cfr90.20.pdf
or http://tinyurl.com/bmtwl
This "unlicensed use" stuff is on page 271 there.
Harry
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K5MAR
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At least in my area, the LEOs have shown a preference for freqs close to their licensed freqs, even though modern radios can comfortably span 20 MHz or so. So try setting up search banks in 1 MHz groups, the smaller the spread, the more likely you will be to hit the freq while they are transmitting. For instance, if it's UHF - say 460.500 MHz, set up searches 466.000 to 465.000, 465.000 to 464.000, 464.000 to 463.000, 463.000 to 462.000, 462.000 to 461.000, and 461.000 to 460.000. If your scanner has a slow search speed, split those in half, you get the idea. Then scan one range at a time, for a week or more.
This has worked well for me.
Mark S.
This has worked well for me.
Mark S.
RatFink57 said:
This is a job for...
a scanner with Close Call !
Much less expensive than any Opto units and will even tell you the CTCSS/CDCSS used (most opto units won't). All else aside, the BC246T is a very nice scanner if you don't need digital.
You can go even less expensive with a unit like the PRO-83, but it won't tell you the CTCSS/CDCSS.
Joe M.
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