• Effective immediately we will be deleting, without notice, any negative threads or posts that deal with the use of encryption and streaming of scanner audio.

    We've noticed a huge increase in rants and negative posts that revolve around agencies going to encryption due to the broadcasting of scanner audio on the internet. It's now worn out and continues to be the same recycled rants. These rants hijack the threads and derail the conversation. They no longer have a place anywhere on this forum other than in the designated threads in the Rants forum in the Tavern.

    If you violate these guidelines your post will be deleted without notice and an infraction will be issued. We are not against discussion of this issue. You just need to do it in the right place. For example:
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I have written the following letter to the powers that be at ISU's public safety department.

If anyone else wishes to comment, they can contact the Office of Public Safety:

pubsafety@indstate.edu

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In late May/early June, the Indiana State University Police Department
moved their communications from VHF to an 800MHz system operated by the
City of Terre Haute. The primary purpose of this transition was to place ISUPD’s
communications on the same system as the Terre Haute Police Department. The
primary notion is that this will facilitate better inter-operability between ISUPD
and THPD.

While the goal of interoperability is met, there does exist some disadvantages.
The primary dispatch channel is now digital. That means that it is un-monitor able
by anyone without an ISUPD or THPD radio. This has two notable disadvantages.
The main disadvantage is a lack of interoperability with agencies who only have
VHF capabilities. There are public safety agencies who rely on being able to
monitor the VHF dispatch for interoperability purposes (e.g. ISP). It is a fact that
not all public safety vehicles are equipped with “city” radios.

An argument arises that interoperability channels exist to meet this problem.
However, these interoperability channels do not carry routine dispatch information.
It is the routine dispatch information that most aids sister agencies in lending aid.
The time from direct monitoring of dispatch as compared to relaying information
via an interoperability channel is much shorter.

The second loss of ending VHF dispatch is assistance rendered by the
public. The public is actively able to monitor VHF dispatch and assist officers in
identifying suspects in a pursuit and by staying out of an area in which an emergency
exists. The spirit of building a better relationship between the police
and the public is aided by trust. When the public has access to dispatch communications,
it shows that the police has inherent trust in the public. The public accepts that trust
and feels compelled to respect and aid the police agency. This also provides a
source of access by the news media and press.

Terre Haute Police Chief George Ralston re-instituted a VHF simulcast of
their primary dispatch channel. This was met by the public, the press, and other
public safety agencies with great enthusiasm. THPD still has an option for secure
communications on “tactical” channels if they so need. The VHF simulcast option is
available to ISUPD. The use of this option would help other public safety agencies, the
media, the general public, the ISU community, and ISUPD as well. It also re-enforces
one of the statements of Sir Robert Peel (founder of the modern form of policing): “The
police are the public, and the public are the police.”

Louis A. Reeves, M.S.
Criminology ‘06
 

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Even with VHF simulcast of THPD dispatch, the patch at times hangs up and remains unsquelched.

What about THFD - how are interoperable communications handled with Vigo County Fire?

They centralized dispatching to one location - yet two different systems are in use by dispatchers IN THE SAME BUILDING/ROOM (County on SAFE-T, city on their own EDACS).

I've said it before and I'll say it again. For true interoperability, the city of Terre Haute needs to drop their current system and switch over to Hoosier SAFE-T.
 

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Well said, Louis!

And sharing a few rarely used channels is not true interoperability. If that is how they define it, they already had that on VHF with 155.37 and 155.475 MHz .

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Update

I received a reply from William Mercier today. He is the public safety director at
ISU. I will say first that it was a nice reply, showed concern, and addressed the
issue.

He stated that ISUPD had no plans to implement a VHF simulcast. The main
reason was not "secrecy" but was cost.

He also stated (as I have heard elsewhere as well) , that the THPD simulcast
may be halted once the transition to the new equipment on Home Ave
is firm and once the combined dispatch center is open.
 

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and the police can do there own job and not depend on the public to see or help with anything that goes on. Because we will not be aware of the activitys within our own neighborhoods is a communist society, and thats where the USA is headed with Digital and Encryption. Only the Military and police special ops should be allowed to use this because it is the RIGHT of every CITIZEN to be able to POLICE THE POLICE, but this right has been taken away slowly and people who are responsible should vote out only representative that supports a SECRET POLICE FORCE that no one has a clue what they are doing.

They will of course counter with the terrible Terrorists threat, but as Ben Franklin said" those that are willing to sacrifice a little freedom for security deserve neither security nor Freedom
 
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