Killer Wideband RFI

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Since last Friday one of my neighbors started running something in his house every day from 7am-12pm. can anyone recognize the sound and tell me what it may be? as you can see, it completely kills any hope of HF reception here while it's happening. even the bands where you don't hear the tones but see a +10 on the meter is caused by this thing because my usual noise floor is s4-6.
Also what can I do about it FCC wise if anything?

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Ahh shucks man that is terrible! I hope your able to get it figured out. I know exactly how ya feel since I have to deal with RFI from time to time as well. Could it be some type of Powerline ethernet? Strange that it only happens between certain times though.
 

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Who Cares...

Who cares what is causing it, if you have it tracked to a person's home, contact the person, and offer to replace the device for him/her. If you don't know what it is, do the power off test, (walking the breakers back on), and you should be able to locate it, and yes, you don't have to replace anything for your neighbor, but it is a good neighbor policy to offer. I did it for one person, and a lot of my RFI went away for around 20 bucks... Well worth it.

Another neighbor got on a high horse about not having to worry about it, that resulted in a note from the FCC informing him he DID have to worry about it, which corrected the problem.

I know without a doubt the one I bought the replacement for likes me more than the one who got the letter from the FCC, hence the gentle approach should always be attempted first...

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Oh man! That is HORRIBLE!
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Thanks for the replies-Brandon&k9rzz, this kills any morning lowband dx. It's so strong that when I walk out of my apt. with the AM pocket radio, this thing emits from all the doorbell wirings behind the walls in my building, wall outlets etc. Thank God it stops at noon! Could you imagine if this happened during my evening utility chase? Man I'd be all over this thing. To think of it-if you're stuck with severs RFI this is the way to go..I'm kinda lucky.
NK7Z-sage advice thanks. I will approach with kindness.
ka3nxn-interesting you say this as I saw he has Bay Alarm stickers everywhere, and you can imagine an "invisible perimeter" causing that type noise.
 

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See if the noise goes away in the amateur bands - if so, it may be powerline / homeplug ethernet which should be notched in the ham bands at least in the U.S. My neighbors system sound different from yours though. But like Brandon mentioned, the times that it is on puzzles me.

The worst part about it is that since it seems to be coming through the powerlines, even a rotatable loop can't find a single source to null it out. But don't give up and do anything rash just yet!
 
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I appreciate that idea hertzian thank you. Surprizingly today (so far) no noise. When it comes up I will check those bands. That may be interesting.
 

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I have a neighbor who has a plasma TV with a switching power supply. It's noisy all the way up to 440 with a chugging noise that happens to fall on the input to my repeater. In my case, it's not on all day and when it is, it only takes out weaker signals. I put a voting receiver up about 4 miles away, so my problem was somehow mitigated. It didn't make the interference go away, I just found another way to deal with it.

Sad to say, I don't know my neighbors (my kids do, and it seems that not knowing some of them has saved me much drama...), so I chose the path of greater resistance. I also don't want to be the guy to suggest to someone they can't watch their thousand dollar television set when I might want to get a permit to put up my tower later this year. These days, people come and go in the neighborhood and some are... gasp... non-hams or SWLs. In fact, we call the new guy next door the Lorax, because he cut his trees down and had the nerve to ask me if I liked my trees (they apparently shade his in-ground swimming pool for part of the day... I don't have a pool).

So, how are your people skills? You'll have to diplomatically convince your neighbors to let you in and help you find it - and when you do find it, to let you modify it to reduce the noise (how are your technical skills, too?). That AM radio will probably help you, as would a scanner with an AM setting or handheld aircraft band receiver.
 

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Thanks 902 for that info. Interesting, I didn't mention above that I finally caught that neighbor as he was parking his car yesterday about 11:30am. I explained what was happening, and that I had his residence zeroed as the source. I was honest and told him whatever it was flattens all the radio bands from about 7am-12pm every day and asked him if he started running something around two Fridays ago then every morning since. He looked a bit taken aback when I asked that then replied "oh yeah yeah I did- I think" but he wouldn't say what it is he's running in there
So I told him it's cool that I can live with it as it is now but if it increases into the rest of the day I'd have to work with him for a solution. He assured me it wouldn't.
So far all morning today-no noise. First morning in 10 days there's no noise. Hey I hope it stays like this but at least he knows I will compromise and work with it and I am glad he was cool about it.
 

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If it gets worse, fire up a Jacobs Ladder during his favorite TV show.

"You stop your experiments in the morning ... and I'll stop mine in the evening."

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Good, he tacitly admitted to be causing interference but unfortunately you haven't reached a solution. Seems to me he's hesitant to cooperate and could be a real problem down the line I'm sorry to say.

Whatever you do DON'T "...and when you do find it, to let you modify it to reduce the noise..." or you'll be married to the bloody beast and things can get messy real fast. If something, anything goes wrong with it he'll blame you so to avoid a slippery slope stay back from the rim or you just might find an ant lion at the bottom.

Eh, a Jacob's Ladder doesn't radiate for poop but I know a modification that can lay waste to the neighborhood.
 
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Good, he tacitly admitted to be causing interference but unfortunately you haven't reached a solution. Seems to me he's hesitant to cooperate and could be a real problem down the line I'm sorry to say.

Whatever you do DON'T "...and when you do find it, to let you modify it to reduce the noise..." or you'll be married to the bloody beast and things can get messy real fast. If something, anything goes wrong with it he'll blame you so to avoid a slippery slope stay back from the rim or you just might find an ant lion at the bottom.

Eh, a Jacob's Ladder doesn't radiate for poop but I know a modification that can lay waste to the neighborhood.

thanks Warren. I never gave this a thought.
 

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Whatever you do DON'T "...and when you do find it, to let you modify it to reduce the noise..." or you'll be married to the bloody beast and things can get messy real fast. If something, anything goes wrong with it he'll blame you so to avoid a slippery slope stay back from the rim or you just might find an ant lion at the bottom.
Yeah, really! Back in the day, someone we know had a cottage business modifying TV sets with these little Wometco Home Theater decoders so they could decode the lame movies on Channel 68 (the same channel Uncle Floyd and the Maria Papadatos Show were on). There were several people who used to hound him whenever their television set went on the blink for any reason. Must have been that thing [he] put in the TV set!
 

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That's excellent news ridge. It kind of makes you wonder what the neighbor was doing. Must not be something too important if they stopped running whatever it was. Probably something illegal lol.
 

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That's excellent news ridge. It kind of makes you wonder what the neighbor was doing. Must not be something too important if they stopped running whatever it was. Probably something illegal lol.
yup.

it was concentrated to his basement/garage area.
I could tell as I was asking him, his face was changing because this one kinda hit him behind the head:D as radio stuff usually does with most folks.
 

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He probably moved the "daylight" hours on his indoor horticulture project to a time when he figured you wouldn't be listening. ;)

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He probably moved the "daylight" hours on his indoor horticulture project to a time when he figured you wouldn't be listening. ;)

* I am only half-kidding.
yeah good one! You're probably right I have to check that out one night:D




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