L3Harris
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There's a lot more frequencies than that list
mmckenna
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L3Harris has a lot of facilities in Virginia. Their training center is in Lynchburg. A lot of other stuff in that area, also.
467.525 isn't in the public safety pool, either. That's business/industrial pool stuff.
467.525 isn't in the public safety pool, either. That's business/industrial pool stuff.
Not sure what this post is all about ? Have you heard stuff on those ? Why post a screen shot of the data base ?
I would suggest a review of his past posts for a hint.
mmckenna
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From his previous posts, bocook was asking about L3Harris doing the licensing for public safety agencies.
My post was pointing out that those frequencies are not in the public safety pool and likely for their own L3Harris internal operations only.
My post was pointing out that those frequencies are not in the public safety pool and likely for their own L3Harris internal operations only.
They are the system frequencies for the Allegheny County TRS.
mmckenna
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Interesting. The 467.525 isn't in the public safety pool, which isn't uncommon for a trunked system.
But I'd like to know their governance structure to understand why a 3rd party would hold licenses and not the municipality. That might create some issues long term.
mmckenna
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FCC database is not available, I'll have to remember to look at those when it comes back.
But, again, if this is regarding your previous post about Harris programming your XG-100P for you, it's unlikely anyone from L3Harris or the agency is going to do that for you. Best bet is to find someone willing to do the programming that understands completely how to make sure it never affiliates, or, as suggested a few times, getting a scanner.
Looking at that system, it appears the law enforcement agencies are mostly encrypted, and no one is going to be able to give you encryption keys, and I am 100% confident Harris and/or the agency is going to give them to you.
Looks like you you could still listen to fire/EMS.
But, again, if this is regarding your previous post about Harris programming your XG-100P for you, it's unlikely anyone from L3Harris or the agency is going to do that for you. Best bet is to find someone willing to do the programming that understands completely how to make sure it never affiliates, or, as suggested a few times, getting a scanner.
Looking at that system, it appears the law enforcement agencies are mostly encrypted, and no one is going to be able to give you encryption keys, and I am 100% confident Harris and/or the agency is going to give them to you.
Looks like you you could still listen to fire/EMS.
I think it's weird
What happens if it affiliates
Best case for you? They don't notice.
Best case for them? They brick your radio.
Best case for us? They brick your radio and you come back here and whine about it.
mmckenna
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If the radio affiliates, it'll register with the system. The logs will record the radio ID.
If the system admin is on their toes, or they have it set up correctly, the system can send a "Stun" or "Kill" command that will stun or kill your radio. If your radio gets killed by the system, the only way to get it revived is to have the system admin do it. And they usually won't.
There's a couple of issues with the radio affiliating:
1. It means the radio was transmitting. You, as an individual, hobbyists, ham radio operator, GMRS licensee, or just regular joe, do not have a license nor permission to transmit on those frequencies. That can result in the FCC coming and finding you. It does happen:
FCC NOV for cloned XTS2500
Before the FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION WASHINGTON, D.C. 20554 In the Matter of David Dean Licensee of Station K0PWO Centennial, CO File No. EB-FIELDWR-22-00034110 FRN: 0002147031 NOTICE OF VIOLATION Released: November 16, 2022 By the Regional Director, Region Three...
Doesn't matter if you talk or not, if the radio affiliates, it counts and a visit from the FCC and possibly the federal marshals can happen. I think you know how that turns out.
2. When a radio affiliates with a trunked radio system, it will pull whatever talk group you are listening to onto that radio site. That can result in system resources being taken away from other legit users. This is why the system administrators will usually kill the radio and report this. It's dangerous to the real public safety users.
3. If you clone an existing radio ID, that can make the other radio not work. That other radio may belong to a police officer, EMT or a fire fighter. That means that their radio may not work when they need it. The system administrator will see this and a lot of resources will be spent to find the cloned radio and bring its owner to swift justice.
mmckenna
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Here's another one that F.A. and F.O. the hard way:
mmckenna
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There's others, but those were the two I had handy.
The #1 way to make sure this doesn't accidentally happen is to have a scanner that can in no way accidentally transmit.
The #1 way to make sure this doesn't accidentally happen is to have a scanner that can in no way accidentally transmit.
mmckenna
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Just be aware, someone will come along in the comments here, or private message you, and tell you that it's totally legal, you won't get caught, there's ways to do it safely, and/or that we're all full of BS.
Just make sure you understand that even accidentally affiliating, even if you never push the Push-To-Talk Button, they'll have you dead to rights. One error, one mistake, one second of lapse of judgement, or accidentally leaving your radio where the wrong person gets ahold of it, may result in bad things happening. None of us what to see that happen, and you don't want your expensive radio getting bricked by a system admin.
Both of those FCC violations I linked to above probably had guys that thought it was OK. Didn't end well for either of them.
And none of this will bypass the encryption on the law enforcement channels. No matter what anyone says, that's not possible and even if it happened, that's a whole 'nuther level of federal hurt, even if just listening.
Just make sure you understand that even accidentally affiliating, even if you never push the Push-To-Talk Button, they'll have you dead to rights. One error, one mistake, one second of lapse of judgement, or accidentally leaving your radio where the wrong person gets ahold of it, may result in bad things happening. None of us what to see that happen, and you don't want your expensive radio getting bricked by a system admin.
Both of those FCC violations I linked to above probably had guys that thought it was OK. Didn't end well for either of them.
And none of this will bypass the encryption on the law enforcement channels. No matter what anyone says, that's not possible and even if it happened, that's a whole 'nuther level of federal hurt, even if just listening.
Will I be better off with a g5
mmckenna
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100%.
No way for a G5 to transmit, even accidentally.
Plus, with these older radios you have no idea the last time it was aligned, and some of those in public safety service have taken beatings. Those are best relegated to the ham radio users where performance isn't critical.
If I was trying to listen to a trunked system that wasn't mine, I'd absolutely go with something like a Unication.
