Listening to hams and shortwave

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tdenfuny

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Please feel free to move this post to another forum.

I like listening to shortwave radio on my Tecsun pl-600. Since this radio has SSB it will pick up some ham radio. I have been thinking about getting a table top radio for listening and I have come across the Icom R75. The price of this is (from what I can see) about the same as for a low level transceiver. So I am wondering what the Icom R75 does that, for example, an Icom 718 doesn't. The Icom 718 (I assume) will also listen to shortwave signals, so:

What is the purpose of receiver only radios?

Does, for example, the R75 do as well listening to SSB?

I can see that the R75 does cover 30MHz to 60 MHz, but what if I am only (for now) interested in below 30 MHz?
 

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I have a Grundig radio that picks up SW, but I really don't find much value listening to SW.

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Get the icom 718 it receives 30khz to 30 mhz and if you decide to get a ham lic you are ready to go... I hear it makes a good cb too lol
 

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Some people don't want a transmitter.
Some people specifically want the R75 because of its legendary status.
The R-75 has more filtering that the 718.

Both radios are fine receivers from people I know who have them.
 

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receiver only radios...designed to be better receivers, as they aren't engineering and installing all the transmitter circuits. So for the $$$ you get a better receiver. Now this assumption works when rigs are just released. In your case, if the 718 has the DSP circuit installed, it could well be a better receiver then the R75. The R75 is pretty long in the tooth and better receive and audio circuits are out now. You might add your post to another forum or to another site, EHAM, comes to mind, and find someone who actually has both and can be more imformative in a real comparison.
 

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What if I don't really care about receiving and just want to transmit? (sarcasm)

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Get the icom 718 it receives 30khz to 30 mhz and if you decide to get a ham lic you are ready to go... I hear it makes a good cb too lol

A lot of CBers use a mod to open up the 718 for CB and "Freebanding"!

You may or may not be aware of this, but modifying an FCC Part 97 type-accepted radio to transmit out side of the amateur bands (unless it is for MARS/CAP) is illegal.

I am not a moderator (and I don't play one on TV), but it is also my understanding that is also against the rules on RadioReference to discuss illegal activities such as this.
 

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There are many fine Software Defined Radios that will also do the job, and for much less than a ham transceiver. If you have no interest in transmitting, this is, frankly, where all the development that used to go to desktop radios (of which there are few and far between anymore) has gone

There's even a desktop that is also a SDR - the CommRadio CR1A.(pretty expensive, but the reviews are very good)

Take a look here to start researching this topic...

Software Defined Radios - The RadioReference Wiki

We have a separate forum that covers these topics if you get interested...Mike
 

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You may or may not be aware of this, but modifying an FCC Part 97 type-accepted radio to transmit out side of the amateur bands (unless it is for MARS/CAP) is illegal.

At the risk of taking the thread afield (it has already gone there)... The following is off topic, however I think it is important that the information in a thread be correct.

Please quote the regulation or code that makes the action you have described illegal.

Have you ever seen a Part 97 Type Acceptance on an IC-718? I am not an expert or a lawyer, however, as I understand it I do NOT believe there is any requirement for an HF ham radio to be Part 97 Certificated (the term that has replaced "Type Accepted"). I believe the only gear requiring Type 97 Certification are external amplifiers that include the ability to operate between 25 and 144 MHz.

Essentially any electronics imported for sale into the US must be Part 15 compliant, however that is not the same as Part 97. So I believe the IC-718 is Part 15 compliant (as stated in the manual), but not Part 97 Certificated, and has no need to be Part 97 Certificated.

And ham radio operators are NOT required to operate Part 97 Certificated equipment. This is what allows a ham to build his own equipment, Type Acceptance, or Certification, is not required for ham gear.

Further, you say that modifying a Part 97 Type Accepted radio to transmit outside the ham bands is illegal. As I said above, please quote the regulation or code that makes this illegal. I think you will find there is no such regulation or code.

Yes, of course, transmitting on frequencies for which you are not licensed is against the rules. Using a none Type Accepted, or Certificated, transmitter in a service requiring such Certification is against the rules. There have been oh so many discussions along those lines in these threads in the past. But performing the modification itself is not illegal, and does not change the status of the radio to be used on ham bands. So modifying such a ham radio to operate on the CB freqs would not, in itself, be illegal, but actually using it there would most definitely be illegal.

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Let's try to wrap up this line of thinking and get back on topic. Transmitters used in the CB Radio Service (FCC Part 95D) must be certified for operation in that service. The Icom IC-718 is not Part 95D certified, so it cannot be legally used to transmit in the CB Radio Service in the U.S.
 

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I like listening to shortwave radio on my Tecsun pl-600. Since this radio has SSB it will pick up some ham radio. I have been thinking about getting a table top radio for listening and I have come across the Icom R75. The price of this is (from what I can see) about the same as for a low level transceiver. So I am wondering what the Icom R75 does that, for example, an Icom 718 doesn't. The Icom 718 (I assume) will also listen to shortwave signals, so:

What is the purpose of receiver only radios?

Does, for example, the R75 do as well listening to SSB?

There have always been receive (RX) only radios available. As a very general statement the RX only radios have allowed equal or better performance for lower cost than a transceiver.

Look at it this way, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Assuming we are excluding price gouging, performance cost money and you generally get what you pay for. Of course, you can get overcharged for something, but superior performance does not come at the lowest price points.

So if the company can make a receiver at X performance and Y price, the inclusion of a transmitter in the same box with the same receiver would cost Y+the cost of the transmitter.

What does it mean in this particular case? On paper there are minor differences between the two radios. They use the same DSP unit. The default filters are similar, with the R-75 having a slightly narrower "wide" filter. The R-75 has slightly better sensitivity specifications in most modes. The R-75 uses less energy (current draw) under all conditions. And that is about it...on paper. And yes the R-75 will do everything the IC-718 will do, except transmit.

Less tangible. I have used both radios side-by-side. The R-75 always seemed to perform better than the IC-718. It was lower noise and it dug weak signals out just a bit better. The stability specifications on the two radios are essentially the same, but the R-75 always seemed a bit closer to on frequency. However don't read too much into that, I often measure things down to the Hz or less, and that is not really typical, most people are not going to see any difference between the two radios in this regard.

So, in my opinion, the R-75 is the better of the two radios, detectably so when I tried it. However, unless you are in a low noise location you might not even notice the difference. And if the two radios are not side by side you will not really notice.

If you think you might ever be interested in transmitting, getting the ham license and going for it, then the IC-718 is the obvious choice. And since the R-75 is discontinued and pretty much unavailable the -718 is pretty much the way to go...in an Icom. The Alinco DX-R8T, however, would be my choice if I was looking at those kinds of radios right now. While I always thought the Alinco was not quite up to the R-75, it was probably at about the same level as the -718, and the DX-R8T is $170 less than the -718.

Personally, I think the day of the tabletop receivers is pretty much gone. SDRs are the way to go, and I think the number of traditional superhet tabletop receivers, at the lower cost hobby level, will be down to zero in the next couple of years.

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Thank you all for the comments. It was very helpful. I had been looking at a R75 on Ebay, but the price ended up being to much.

Thank you Token! This was extremely helpful I will look at the Alinco. It is just within my budget. I will have to do a bit of research on it. Am I right that the only accessories is a power supply and an antenna?
 

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Thank you Token! This was extremely helpful I will look at the Alinco. It is just within my budget. I will have to do a bit of research on it. Am I right that the only accessories is a power supply and an antenna?

Yes, the only required additional equipment will be a power supply and an antenna (with feedline). Of course there are other optional things you may want, like headphones and cables to run receiver audio into a computer.

For a power supply I would recommend a linear supply, something like the Astron RS-4A although there are many similar supplies available that would be just fine. Personally I typically opt for linear supplies vs switching supplies when possible.

Antennas are a subject that you can spend a lot of time on, and there are as many possible solutions as there are possible questions. As a general statement desktop receivers do NOT do well with a back of set clip on antenna. Outside antennas are the key here, and generally physically as large as you can get away with. Don't forget that the external antenna must have a feedline (most often coax) coming to the radio.

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If you want a brand new R-75, you may be out of luck as, sadly, it has recently been discontinued. :(
 
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