Looking for a recording of MSP radio traffic.

[ISP543]

I would like to have some sort of recording of MSP radio traffic to play in the interior of my restored '75 MSP squad during car shows. Any format will do. Anything from old school cassette to a MP3 file. The longer the better. I'm not even sure if it's feasible, but it never hurts to ask. I heard somewhere that it is illegal to record radio traffic, but then again, I'm not real learned about these things. My car is actually from the Hart post which, technically doesn't exist. It's now a substation of Grand Haven. Any traffic from any post/area will do. I doubt anyone in the general public would be the wiser. Any further assistance or information would be greatly appreciated.
THX

 

[k8tmk]

The act of recording 2-way radio traffic is not in itself illegal. It's what you do with the recording that could get you a fine.

The "Secrecy Act" provision of the FCC rules and regs are very clear on this matter. You can listen to anything you want that isn't encrypted (or scrambled), but you cannot divulge the content of any communication to another person or persons. Playing back the recording to someone else would be against the law. I believe the fine is $10,000 a day for each and every day the offense occurs. Amateur radio communications and ordinary radio broadcasts (AM and FM) are exempted from the regulations.

In my opinion, the people who stream radio traffic on the Internet are in violation of the same regulation.

Randy

 

[ISP543]

hmmm..that's not what I wanted to hear. So if I read your reply correctly, if I have said recording playing in my vehicle while on display, I'm breaking a law?? That's just crazy
I guess the important thing here is that if someone wishes to record the traffic on my behalf, they are safe. What I choose to do with it is my responsibility. Is it even possible to monitor MSP traffic anymore?? I stopped listening to my scanner when the K-zoo area went all digital. I wasn't into it enough to keep up with the new equipment.

 

[iMONITOR]

hmmm..that's not what I wanted to hear. So if I read your reply correctly, if I have said recording playing in my vehicle while on display, I'm breaking a law?? That's just crazy
I guess the important thing here is that if someone wishes to record the traffic on my behalf, they are safe. What I choose to do with it is my responsibility. Is it even possible to monitor MSP traffic anymore?? I stopped listening to my scanner when the K-zoo area went all digital. I wasn't into it enough to keep up with the new equipment.

Just record it off TV from COPS!

I am familiar with the laws that k8tmk mentions, but I'd be shocked if they'd actually come after you for what you plan to do. Providing the content didn't contain anything personal, or sensitive. You might write MSP and request permission. They might even send you some sound bytes.

 

[Jimmy252]

I have a recording of a 20 minute chase id be willing to send you from MSP...but with the laws K8TMK mentions i guess its up to you...

 

[pogbobo]

so everytime someone posts a sound clip of an interesting chase or anything recorded like that they are breaking the law?

 

[firetaz834]

why not get a digital scanner (place it in the trunk) and then put it through the radio speaker in the vehicle. Then, I don't think you would be in violation of the forementioned FCC rules/regulations

 

[ISP543]

I have a recording of a 20 minute chase id be willing to send you from MSP...but with the laws K8TMK mentions i guess its up to you...

Sounds perfect! What type of media is it on? cassette? MP3? reel to reel ? Any form will do. As far as the law.....I doubt the MSP will come knocking on my door anytime soon(Despite what bigblue might think)

 

[Skud]

I have a Digital scanner(since I am in barry County) and use either ITtracker or Scanner recording and record the audio myself and put it on my MP3 player and listen to it on the way to work. 24 hours of recording that I can listen to in about 2 hours.

 

[Jimmy252]

Sounds perfect! What type of media is it on? cassette? MP3? reel to reel ? Any form will do. As far as the law.....I doubt the MSP will come knocking on my door anytime soon(Despite what bigblue might think)

I have it as a computer file, but i can send it to you and you can do what you want with it (Burn it, etc)

Its a zipped file so make sure you have winzip... And just PM me with your email adress

 

[mtindor]

In my opinion, the people who stream radio traffic on the Internet are in violation of the same regulation.

Randy

Wow. I would recommend that you get a grassroots effort going to file some class action lawsuit against us streamers - possibly with the argument that us streaming audio, an act which _you_ deem illegal, is keeping you awake at night - causing sleep deprivation - causing deteriorating health and job performance/productivity.

mike

 

[mtindor]

You might write MSP and request permission. They might even send you some sound bytes.

That's actually a real good idea - I'm glad you thought of it. It wouldn't have crossed my mind. They may actually have some audio from events of the 70s that would fit right into his theme.

Mike

 

[Skud]

nally Posted by k8tmk
In my opinion, the people who stream radio traffic on the Internet are in violation of the same regulation.

Randy

Wow. I would recommend that you get a grassroots effort going to file some class action lawsuit against us streamers - possibly with the argument that us streaming audio, an act which _you_ deem illegal, is keeping you awake at night - causing sleep deprivation - causing deteriorating health and job performance/productivity.

mike

hmm I going 52 in a 50 so I am in violation of the law too. and....

 

[JoeyC]

In my opinion, the people who stream radio traffic on the Internet are in violation of the same regulation.

Randy

You are probably right. But more importantly, as hobbyists they should be equally concerned that streaming radio traffic over the internet is an open invitation for the increased use of encryption in PS radio.

Back on track, it might be best to get the permission of the agency before putting a recording of an incident on display. Just general radio chatter without any identifying information in it, I would think is harmless.

 

[ISP543]

Wow. I would recommend that you get a grassroots effort going to file some class action lawsuit against us streamers - possibly with the argument that us streaming audio, an act which _you_ deem illegal, is keeping you awake at night - causing sleep deprivation - causing deteriorating health and job performance/productivity.

mike

Uh oh! I didn't mean to cause a stir. If anyone wishes to discreetly send me any audio files of MSP radio chatter, here is my email address Preston@fotki.com
If anyone wants to check out pictures of the car I'll be using them in (or any of my other rides for that matter) feel free to click on the link in my signature.

thx all

Preston

 

[Skud]

You are probably right. But more importantly, as hobbyists they should be equally concerned that streaming radio traffic over the internet is an open invitation for the increased use of encryption in PS radio.

Back on track, it might be best to get the permission of the agency before putting a recording of an incident on display. Just general radio chatter without any identifying information in it, I would think is harmless.

encryption of regular tralk groups is dumb. As it invites media and others to want to complain and sue. LEIN and TAC should always be encrypted. Because traffic is treamed is a dumb excuse to encrypt.

Ok back to the topic...

 

[JoeyC]

encryption of regular tralk groups is dumb. As it invites media and others to want to complain and sue. LEIN and TAC should always be encrypted. Because traffic is treamed is a dumb excuse to encrypt.

Ok back to the topic...

Streaming radio traffic is an ideal reason to encrypt.
I'd hardly call it dumb.
There is no basis for the complaints and/or lawsuits, so thats a moot point.

 

[Skud]

I should have said it differently. some people like news media complain about not being able to hear the traffic, so I say only do that to the tac and lein channels. less hassels later.

 

[k8tmk]

I was only trying to point out what the law says, and what the fine for violation is. A lot of people don't know much about radio laws. I really don't care what you do.

I do know that with my luck, I would be the one to get caught. Someone will eventually get caught, and then that person will be squealing like a stuffed pig.

As for me, I'd rather use my money for something other than a preventable fine.

Randy

 

[Tophtoh]

The act of recording 2-way radio traffic is not in itself illegal. It's what you do with the recording that could get you a fine.

The "Secrecy Act" provision of the FCC rules and regs are very clear on this matter. You can listen to anything you want that isn't encrypted (or scrambled), but you cannot divulge the content of any communication to another person or persons. Playing back the recording to someone else would be against the law. I believe the fine is $10,000 a day for each and every day the offense occurs. Amateur radio communications and ordinary radio broadcasts (AM and FM) are exempted from the regulations.

In my opinion, the people who stream radio traffic on the Internet are in violation of the same regulation.

Randy

*rolls eyes*