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What would cause interference when transmitting in vehicle? When I transmit I get weird interference through my FM radio speakers, also the mobile VHF radio speaker puts out a very strange sound that seems like interference.


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antennas being to close to each other. Your desensing the other receiver. Also, if your grounds are not good, that can cause issues also, along with a bad antenna chassis ground.

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Ok i wonder why it only does it on certain frequencies for example 154.0100, 153.8300, and 153.950, everything else has zero interference.

antennas being to close to each other. Your desensing the other receiver. Also, if your grounds are not good, that can cause issues also, along with a bad antenna chassis ground.

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Ok i wonder why it only does it on certain frequencies for example 154.0100, 153.8300, and 153.950, everything else has zero interference.

The mixing products, especially those the re-mix. They could end up being on the freqs you want to hear.

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So there's nothing I can do to fix this huh?


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Yeah I'm using a external nmo antenna.


External antenna. You're pumping a lot of RF into the interior of a metal cage that houses a bunch of electronics.





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Ah, OK, got it.

I've got a full size/crew cab F150 with a 50 watt VHF radio and a 1/4 wave antenna mounted on the roof. No interference with the AM/FM radio. My wife's Ford Escape has a 50 watt VHF radio and a 1/4 wave antenna mounted on the roof. TX with that radio will desense the AM/FM radio pretty easily.

Might be how close your antenna is to the AM/FM antenna.
 

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Ok this one might be tricky to solve


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I just did a couple tests to try and narrow it down. I checked power and ground which looked good, i tried reversing my vhf and uhf antennas which are on opposite ends of the roof, thought maybe that would tell me if it is too close to other antennas but still the same. The only thing that made a difference was when i replaced the antenna with a piece of wire and i got no interference. I'd like to add also that on the frequencies that don't get the weird interference it sounds like the car speakers open when in transmission, like a clicking noise. This is driving me crazy.


Ah, OK, got it.

I've got a full size/crew cab F150 with a 50 watt VHF radio and a 1/4 wave antenna mounted on the roof. No interference with the AM/FM radio. My wife's Ford Escape has a 50 watt VHF radio and a 1/4 wave antenna mounted on the roof. TX with that radio will desense the AM/FM radio pretty easily.

Might be how close your antenna is to the AM/FM antenna.
 

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How close are the two transmitting antennas to each other?

A couple of other ideas:

Check SWR. High SWR can cause some issues.

Check for corrosion in the antenna bases, antenna mounts and cable.

Check all your grounds. Shiny metal is important.

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One antenna is on the trunk and the other is on the front part of the roof, so that's like 8 feet apart. The trouble is coming from the antenna on the trunk, however I stilled swapped the antennas so I know it's not the location. The power is coming from the battery and I will check my grounds again. What do you mean by SWR?


How close are the two transmitting antennas to each other?

A couple of other ideas:

Check SWR. High SWR can cause some issues.

Check for corrosion in the antenna bases, antenna mounts and cable.

Check all your grounds. Shiny metal is important.

Where is your power coming from?





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What do you mean by SWR?

I've never seen it happen, but I've heard others talk about it:
If the SWR is too high, the amount of power that doesn't get radiated by the antenna has to go somewhere. It can get re-radiated along the coax cable. So, if that is what's happening, you might be getting a lot of RF inside the vehicle.
Would at least be worth checking. Maybe you set it all up perfectly when you installed it, but something has changed since then? Corrosion, damaged cable, lose antenna whip, etc....
 

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So how do i check the SWR?

I've never seen it happen, but I've heard others talk about it:
If the SWR is too high, the amount of power that doesn't get radiated by the antenna has to go somewhere. It can get re-radiated along the coax cable. So, if that is what's happening, you might be getting a lot of RF inside the vehicle.
Would at least be worth checking. Maybe you set it all up perfectly when you installed it, but something has changed since then? Corrosion, damaged cable, lose antenna whip, etc....
 

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If you don't have the equipment to troubleshoot radio issues, best course is to take it to someone who does. Post #11 is a good list of typical problem areas and I would put SWR near the top of the list.

I'm surprised that you don't have RF induced into the mic audio if it's that bad.
 

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So how do i check the SWR?

OK, well, there's a good place to start.

If you installed these radios and antennas yourself but didn't check SWR/Reflected Power, then we might as well start there.

Did the issue appear as soon as these radios/antennas were installed, or did it show up later?


Checking SWR/Reflected power requires either an SWR meter designed for the frequencies/power you are using or a specific piece of test gear designed to measure return loss.
Basically what it tells you is if your antennas are resonate at the right frequencies and thus radiating the power that the radio is feeding them.
If the antennas are not resonate (or there is a cable fault), the antenna system will not radiate all the power. What's left over is sent back down the cable. That can re-radiate inside the vehicle and cause all kinds of issues. It will also cause the RF amplifier in your radio to be running in an unbalanced state and cause a lot of excess heat. Too much and/or too long of this excess heat will damage the final transistor in your radio - as in poof of magic smoke and the radio don't go no more without a few hundred dollar shop visit.

So, you could go out and buy/borrow the gear to do this, or take it to a shop and have them put it on their antenna analyzer.
Purchasing the equipment isn't a big deal. You can pick up halfway decent hobby grade SWR meters at a ham radio shop for $50-$100. A good investment. You could buy higher end gear if you ever plan on doing this work professionally, plan on doing a lot of installs, or just have money to burn. A used Bird 43 and the right slugs will run you $150 - $300.
You could also get an MFJ antenna analyzer for around $250.
Or, you could get a piece of high end gear like a service monitor or a spectrum analyzer with a tracking generator for somewhere around $20,000.00

Much easier to just go to a shop if you only plan on doing this once. Or, spend the bucks and get the hobby/amateur grade SWR meter and you'll probably be set for life.
Or, find an amateur radio club and see if one of them will help you out.
 

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This started happening later on after the install, and I do not have a ground from the trunk lid to the body of the car.


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