TRX-2: More issues! Rx issue convention and trunked

[JMR3865]

Hi all,
I am having issues receiving conventional frequencies and the local phase 2 trunked system.

On the conventional side, I'm either missing transmissions or getting the last part of them. It seems like it is scanning slowly. I checked and none of the channels are on delay.

On the TRS, I'm have 2 different systems with a total of 4 sites (2 sites per system) and I'm not getting anything. I dont know if I have it programmed correctly though because I could not find where to enter the particular TRS information such as the system ID or WACN or the site number.

I'm am more familiar with programming radios than scanners so I'm a little rough and TBH, only programmed 1 other scanner in the past several years.


Any help is appreciated.

 

[hiegtx]

Hi all,
I am having issues receiving conventional frequencies and the local phase 2 trunked system.

On the conventional side, I'm either missing transmissions or getting the last part of them. It seems like it is scanning slowly. I checked and none of the channels are on delay.

On the TRS, I'm have 2 different systems with a total of 4 sites (2 sites per system) and I'm not getting anything. I dont know if I have it programmed correctly though because I could not find where to enter the particular TRS information such as the system ID or WACN or the site number.

I'm am more familiar with programming radios than scanners so I'm a little rough and TBH, only programmed 1 other scanner in the past several years.


Any help is appreciated.

Did you program these manually? Or did you use the Library Import?

 

[RaleighGuy]

I am having issues receiving conventional frequencies and the local phase 2 trunked system.

On the TRS, I'm have 2 different systems with a total of 4 sites (2 sites per system) and I'm not getting anything. I dont know if I have it programmed correctly though because I could not find where to enter the particular TRS information such as the system ID or WACN or the site number.

If you are using the EZ Scan database to program your scanner all the needed information will be loaded when you select it in the library tab. If you are manually entering them the SYSTEM ID and WACN are not required, just the control channels for each site. Couple of things to check, are the TGs entered active on those towers, do you have right towers/control channels, have you tried entering a wildcard, if entered manually did you choose the proper system type (ie Motorola, P25, DMR, NXDN) and audio type (Analog, Digital)?

On the conventional side, I'm either missing transmissions or getting the last part of them. It seems like it is scanning slowly. I checked and none of the channels are on delay.

How many Trunked systems are you scanning at the same time, have you tried different scanner placement locations and antennas, how many scan lists are active and how many frequencies/trunked systems are in each?

 

[JMR3865]

I am programming everything manually through the EZ scan computer program.

Both trunked systems are a P25 phase 2 system so I selected p25. I believe I have the audio as digital. I entered the control channel first then the alternates

I'm scanning 2 trunked systems and approx 30 conventional frequencies as well. I have moved the scanner to the other side of the desk away from the CPU and printer. I have not tried a different antenna.

I have 1 scan list with everything in it. I'm trying to keep it simple stupid.

 

[RaleighGuy]

I am programming everything manually through the EZ scan computer program.

I have 1 scan list with everything in it. I'm trying to keep it simple stupid.

If you are using EZ Scan import function it's not manual programming, manually programming means creating and adding systems without using library, that's what we are asking. As for the scanlist, try breaking it into several scanlists, one for each trunked system and at least one for conventional freqs and see if that makes a difference.

 

[JMR3865]

I'm not using the import function @ all. I'm not using the library or downloading anything from RR or using anything that came with the scanner.

I'm manually inputting the information into the ezscan software and writing it to the SD card.

I will try breaking it down into different scan lists and see if that helps.

Thanks!

 

[tvengr]

Which trunking systems are you trying to monitor?

 

[Ubbe]

If you have no delay set to the conventional frequencies then it might not stay long enough on a frequency to get the rest of the conversation, depending of if the carrier or subtone dissapears when a user releases his PTT. Try to set a 5-10 sec delay.

On P25 trunked system, when a control channel are found on a site it doesn't care about the rest of the frequencies on that site and you can programmed all frequencies if you like. Set the dwell timer for the systems to 2 or 3 seconds and see if that changes anything.

Do the display show any T character that will indicate that you are receiving a control channel from a site?

Do Fn+0 and enter a control channel frequency. Then press MENU and uncheck all the systems types, P25 down to NXDN and press MENU again and save. Do Fn+0 again and open squelch to 0 and step one frequency step up or down using left and right arrows so that you come back to the proper frequency and listen if you actually can hear the data from the control channel. Try moving the antenna to get the best reception. Push Fn+1 to start scan again.

/Ubbe

 

[tvengr]

If you will let me know which trunking systems you are trying to monitor, I can give you information on how to set them up. Please include the sites you want to use.

 

[JMR3865]

In monmouth county, NJ. The ICS system and the Long Branch site as well as the Monmouth county trunked radio system.

 

[tvengr]

I am working on information for you. Will post it shortly.

 

[tvengr]

Disregard.

 

[tvengr]

Hopefully, this will give you the information you need for NJICS and Monmouth Co systems and sites:

 

[JMR3865]

Thank you very much!

 

[tvengr]

Please let me know if you have any other questions.

 

[JMR3865]

Thanks!

Question!

On the state trunked system, there are a hundreds of talkgroups and I only want to listen to 5. I know they are not ALL affiliate with my site; however, if I enter them all and lock them out, will it bog down my scanner?

Thanks for helping out the scanner newbie here

 

[tvengr]

If you have only 5 talkgroups that you want, the easiest thing to do is enter them manually. On EZScan, click on the Trunked Radio Systems tab. Highlight NJICS system at the top of the screen by clicking on the ID number at the left end of the line. Click on Talkgroup Details. Click on New button to the right of the Trunked Systems Talkgroups Information screen (Not the button to the right of the Trunked Radio Systems screen at the top of the page). Enter the TGID and Alpha Tag. Make sure that the Delay box (Dly) is filled in and set DMode to Digital. You can assign it to a Scan List by clicking on its line under Scanlists at the right side of the screen. Do the same thing again for the remaining talkgroups.

 

[JMR3865]

But wount it still pick up every other talkgroup on the system that affiliates with that site?

 

[tvengr]

No. When you scan a trunking system, it will receive only the TGID's that you programmed. That is why you can hold on a talkgroup. If you search or add a wildcard to the scan, it will pick up everything. If the five talkgroups you programmed are the only ones showing on the Trunked System Talkgroup Information screen, that is all you will receive. You can set up NJICS and Monmouth Co on separate scan lists if you want to be able to control if you listen to either or both.

 

[scosgt]

I have used Whistler scanners in that area.
1. Use the library import, then remove any talkgroups you don't want to listen to.
2. On the new ICS system not all talkgroups are identified at this time, use the wildcard and use skip to remove those you don't want to hear.
3. On the NJ systems, it usually works better to lockout all the sites that are not in your area. That speeds up scanning and keeps you away from similar frequencies that are not a part of that system.
I monitor NJ SP from Long Island. I lock out all but the North Simulcast. Some of the freqs on the other towers are also used in NYC, that creates a problem
4. Increase the dwell time
5. Load ONLY the control channels, scanning the other channels makes the scanner work slower.
6. If you do any conventional channels, attempt to use them without the CTSS squelch setting. That seems to slow down these scanners.
7. Play with the squelch. A setting of around 8-10 is best, a low setting slows the scan rate,
8. If you can not use an outdoor antenna, try a simple telescoping antenna. The front ends on these radios are easily overloaded, and I get better results with a simple telescoping antenna.