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More than one way to enable ESK?

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I have heard some talk that turning on ESK in older ESK capable radios with the proper feature string is possible without a keyloader. Does anyone know if that is true?

It seems to me that there probably was not any use of ESK until the last few years when FL, TX, etc. started using it. Of course those users are using newer radios that require RPM rather than Programmer to set up the radios.

I noticed the software to implement ESK on the CSD-transmission side is priced at about 11 grand, (not counting the cost for the reception side), yet the key card readers are only a little over $100.

Just wondering if any one of the EDACS gurus have any comments--
 

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Thayne said:
I have heard some talk that turning on ESK in older ESK capable radios with the proper feature string is possible without a keyloader. Does anyone know if that is true?

It seems to me that there probably was not any use of ESK until the last few years when FL, TX, etc. started using it. Of course those users are using newer radios that require RPM rather than Programmer to set up the radios.

I noticed the software to implement ESK on the CSD-transmission side is priced at about 11 grand, (not counting the cost for the reception side), yet the key card readers are only a little over $100.

Just wondering if any one of the EDACS gurus have any comments--

ESK is enabled through feature encryption, as you indicated. It has nothing to do with a keyloader. The keyloader is used to load voice encryption keys into radios. One has nothing to do with the other. Perhaps I’m not reading your question with its proper intent?
 

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It wasn't the radio model that would allow ESK automatically, it was a certain version of Programmer and it would not magically "turn on" the ESK but would allow an ESK personality to be read, viewed, changed and saved to disk with out the key card. You can't view the key in programmer and the key itself isn't stored in the personality, only a pointer telling the radio which key to use on which system. Writing the same personality to another radio, ESK featured or not, will not load the ESK keys unless you have the keycard reader and keycard with the actual keys on it.

ESK does require a keycard, and hence a keycard reader. They are the same as the keycard used to store and distribute the voice encryption keys but the two keys cannot be on the same card. You do have to spend eleven grand for the software in order to generate the ESK keys and write them to the distribution keycards.
 

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JungleJim said:
it was a certain version of Programmer and it would not magically "turn on" the ESK but would allow an ESK personality to be read, viewed, changed and saved to disk with out the key card
Which version was that?
 

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Thanks for the info. It is kind of a moot point since the new GRE scanners will negate the ESK keeping scanners from tracking.
Some media types really like a REAL radio since they do work better in marginal conditions, and I guess I can understand that.
 

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I believe it's either 16 or 18 that allows you to read SOME of the contents of an ESK radio personality without having the ESK key.

All you have to do is make ANY SINGLE CHANGE to any accessible information, like change
one letter in one group name, and now you can save the file to disk without the key.

But a lot of data is still obscured.


If there's a version that lets you look at ALL the data, I'd like to know about it.


Elroy
 

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What all is on the seperate CD that will enable the security feature in programmer? I am not speaking of the ESK card.
 

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I don't know but it must really be the Cat's meow if it costs 11 Grand. :)
 

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Are you sure that the $11,000 is not for the entire CSD software package? As I recall ESK is available in all CSD packages, you just have to buy the keycard and card reader to plug into the CSD and all of the keycards and card readers to program along with feature data for all radios. I don't think that there is a separate network-end price to enable ESK.

And back to your original question, to get a radio to work on an ESK-enabled system you must have the ESK code that is programmed into the CSD also programmed into the radio. Any random code won't make it work - it's not like a scanner where it is either on or off.

But it is the cat's meow because it keeps turds from programming up radios and talking on the system ;)

Tell the media friends just to get a PSR-500 and live with it......sure beats the heck out of the alternative which is nothing at all or a fight with the City to get radios programmed on the system.
 
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Yes, that is for the entire CSD Software package. The card reader is about $120. Programmed keycards--Priceless :cool:
 

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The CSD package is used for many more functions than ESK and is a must for any public safety system in order to administer the sites, radios, users, groups, etc. It's just part of the system, really...

Programmed rogue key cards, eh? Hmm...
 

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MMIC said:
Programmed rogue key cards, eh? Hmm...

I was joking; you know how I tend to get at times--didn't mean to trigger your sweep ;)
 
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