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Motorola Minitor III serial # Ebay Scam!!!

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rescue4520

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I bought a VHF 2 Freq. with free programming. It was used the seller said it was good. I gave Him the freq and tones apparently it was programmed, but I could not pick anything up on it no matter what. hooked it up to an antenna that was on my amp charger (antenna picked up the same freq when hooked to scanner).I was hoping to have a good working pager by now but for some reason it would not work.

I emailed the seller and He called, We talked trying to troubleshoot it. He seemed really nice and helpful, but no sauces, I sent it back expecting a prompt replacement for a working one. Here is where the possible scam starts:The pager when I received it was poor, squelch was hard to press, It looked like it was opened with a bad attempted to be put back together wear,Stickers were halfway peeling off. Nothing like the picture.

He called when He received it. Thats when the problems started.He accused me of switching the guts and stickers out and was very force full trying to convince me that I somehow did something wrong with a bad ego attitude. I must say at this point that He did received back the exact pager that was sent to me. Even said I did something to the stickers even though it was sent to me in that condition.I was truly hurt that someone would go and do something like that but we cant trust anyone these days.Apparently others did the swap of guts to him before and he must be doing the same thing to everyone that buys a non working pager from him so he can get rich.

The thing that started it all was for some reason apparently according to him the serial numbers do not match from the time he sent it to me til the time he received it back. I know 100% without a doubt that the pager is the the same one. There is something wrong on his part there is no reason that the model number does not match up. It gets better, He called and told me it was going to be about 5 days to get back to me because He needs to apparently send it out to some possibly fake company to take it apart to see the internal marks that show it really is the same pager.

To put it in simple terms I did nothing to it ao if it comes back to not be the same one (if its a real company) which there is no reason for that will prove 100% it is a Scam and I will expose Him and his business.

However If it comes back to be the same which it better because like I said its the same one, than he will send me a working replacement and it will possibly not be a scam, but instead he made a huge mistake and simply did not want to admit it.

I did some research but forgot where I read it. There is a problem with one of the programing systems which I think is the one he used that will wipe out the serial # and assign a new one if certain tones are inputed into the pager. which is the only thing I see could have happened.

Has anyone out there ever have a similar issue when programming minitor III pagers or have some sort of idea what had happened to the serial #? It just does not make any sense? I am amazed at how the guys mood went from good to furious for no reason. its OK though, I will be filing a dispute, and buyer protection if the 5 days are up and I do not hear anything back from the lieing scammer.

I will deff keep an update so this does not happen to anyone else, but for now I will keep his identity private unless he still wants to scam or accuse me of things that are not true, He should have gotten all the facts first I'm deff going to be telling him to apologize when he finds out he was wrong. I am sure that that is not a good way to run a business. Too bad too I was going to buy a bunch more things from his store too...
 

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If you want your money back you going to have to file an SNAD dispute in PayPal. Assuming you paid with paypal. Did you send the pager back with a tracking number?
 

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I'm not going to file a dispute with Paypal yet. I did get confirmation and all that good stuff when I sent it including insurance heard back from Him saying He received it. I sent the same EXACT one back. The sticker on the outside was the same model # He claims to have sent and logged in His computer. The Thing I cant understand is on His minitor III computer program it showed a different serial # than what He had claimed to log and on file also was different from the sticker on the back which was the same when He sent it according to Him. My mind is at a blink on how that is possible? He said that He only does 1 pager at a time from shelf to shipping box so there is no way He could have mixed them up apparently He is perfect and makes no mistakes? plus when He got it back it was set up the same way on the frequency although He mentioned a different freq He said it was programmed to by mistake so I caught that without Him knowing. "I'm looking at it now and it is set up to 155.3400 no wait I mean (heard paper crumbling and movement) 154.415 and 154.385 like you told me thats what the paper says the tone is also (keyword is also implying there is another problem could be referring to Freq obviously) different than the 1500/800 I put in"...He quickly corrected Himself which it may be as simple as Him programming it wrong and not wanting to admit it. The only difference was the serial # and the tone filter # according to Him. The tone filter might have done something with the serial number changing, He has a non Motorola program that lets Him put in the exact tone unlike the Motorola program, I highly doubt that though. The tone was supposed to be 1500/800 but He said it was 1500/802. but I know that on the Motorola program it goes to the next closest because I have a low band for Balto Co. programmed to the same tone but when the guy did it in front of me He had to do the next closest tone since it did not support the 800Hz so it did 802.Hz and works fine for the Box Alarm 1500/802. tone.I read one report about a similar problem while doing a goggle search don't remember where though where if you put in a non standard tone it resets the Serial # or makes it different for some reason... Another odd thing is that He said it would take 5 days to send it to His service center to see his identification or serial # thing saying it is the same one He originally sent to me He has a certain mark inside His pagers to see He is not getting scammed. I don't know cuz I never saw the inside of the pager, but I guarantee it will be there if there really is one... I understand that people do things like swapping pagers like that, in fact this is the first time I heard of it, and that He is looking out to see He ain't getting scammed but I was just soo ticked off that He accused me of something like that before checking the inside or doing something. He basically accused me and ordained minister of stealing, I can not understand what gets into people these days, felt like He was interrogating me, asking the same question in a different format. "Why don't these sn match?", "did you swap the pager?", "Ive had people do this before why did you do that?" this is not the pager I sent you!", "The stickers look like they have been peeled off and switched why did you do that?" and on and on and on, I tried to help Him come up with explanations but I don't know much about the 3, but He didn't want to accept it was a problem on His part somehow, because I said it before and Ill say it again it was the EXACT pager He sent me including the packaging, I even wrapped it in extra bubble wrap in case someone could use it to prevent further damage in some way. I am only planning on giving Him 5 days before filing with paypal then the BBB, then Motorola, Public Defender ect... He said He would call me back to update me its been 3 days, but I noticed He already printed a shipping label to return it or give me a working one. So I am not sure what is going on now, I'm going to email Him monday for a update to see. His Feedback is great only 1 bad thing but it was nothing like this, and 1 I saw that said they had a problem that He fixed so there is a possibility He is not trying to scam me but just in case I want to stop him from doing this to others, but than again there is the issue about Him calling me a lier which I have no idea on what to do with That, deformation of character? I don't like leaving - feedback but if he fixes the problem and gets me a new one I most likely will let that go, I just want a darn working pager... I did buy a low band III on ebay had the same problem sent it back to the guy and got a working one, He had to fix the squelch to the lowest it could go without full static, but I think it was a different seller so could be a minitor III issue.
 

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ASSuming it was a dud out of the box, you haven't tampered with it, and sent it back, file a PP dispute through Ebay. Guaranteed they will rule in your favor, especially if you provide a tracking number showing the package delivered to him. It may take a couple weeks, but you'll have a full refund. Personally if someone sells me something bad out of the box, they have 1 chance to make it right. If they play games, dispute it. I would not waste my time with him if you're getting the jack around. Plenty of sources to buy this stuff from.
 

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Well, I received the same exact pager back that He sent me the first time which is the same one I sent back to Him. It was not packaged well at all. I am filing the dispute as soon as I get done here. Not only is it the same exact pager, but He did what he could to mess it up, its busted up pretty good, the nob was broken off, the squelch did not work at all unless I applied an extreme amount of pressure,There is a weird noise it makes when I do press the squelch(buzz), the vibe is now broken it is very loud and has a odd noise, battery door is chipped along with other parts of it, the rubber part that goes in the jack has been ripped off like me, He pulled the stickers off of it and put them back on, the housing is coming apart. I just cant understand why people have to do junk like that, this is just wrong...
 

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Ok, the outcome is as follows: Filed dispute, He then called and left a message on my voice mail I wasn't about to answer be nice if I could post that message up here, He sounded nervous with a crackling voice, must have been a first for Him too. He was a little upset I would say for me not contacting Him first, but I didn't feel like messing with Him telling me that I somehow did something to the pager. Anyway, He offered to pay me back half of what I paid for it so I could get it fixed, but the funny part is He told me to send it to His repair guy to be fixed. That seems a bit odd since He supposedly had just gotten it back from the same repair guy that supposedly fixed it. He even tried to tell me it was fixed even though it was sent back to me in worse condition than the first time. The way I see it is Half price is all I can see getting back and I get to keep the pager, but I still need to get it fixed though. I sure ain't sending it to His guy located in FL, so I need to find another flat rate repair company that will fix it for around $50 so i don't wind up paying a bunch of money just to get this thing fixed cuz it seems to have major problems and most likely not worth it. So that is my first choice, and the second is to try and sell it to get around what I paid for it back so I can buy a working one. too bad I'm not getting back the time, shipping, or reputation. He never told me He made a mistake for accusing me of swapping, and have not heard anything about what happened with that whole Serial # thing, I guess that is just something I will never find out, I have been tempted to take it apart to see what kind of markings He uses, if there really are markings. I tried turning it on to see what to write on the repair form if I go that rout, the vibe totally does not work now, I can see His repair guy did a bang up job quite literally. This has been pretty interesting. Concluding Does anyone know of a good dealer not in the state of FL that does cheap flat rate fixes on the III? Thank you all for the comments and advice. I have decided to keep His name and such quiet. The reason I am not puting that up is because I just discovered He uses this forum also and I do not want to cause any problems like He continued to do with me.
 
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