Motorola Programming Computer ???

[kudos2k]

this is going to be my first post eaven if i've been a registered member for some time i just read and learn from others so please First of all excuse my inglish, is not perfect but i think that it will ment what i want to know...


i recently acuierd a computer from a public auction from a local Real
estate, it was from a radio shop? or some kind of place that worked with communications or some radio repair place, it is loaded with windows xp and some motorola radio software to program radios, im not an expert in this matter and need some advice, i will like to put it for auction in ebay but dont know for shure if is illegal or not, or what can i do to sell this computer, Just in case i got all the papers from the auction and wat i got from them as purchase proof ,. i mention this in case that it might sound as a stolen property to someone"

thanks in advance...

 

[N4KVE]

I have often thought about this. While Motorola makes the people who buy the software sign a contract stating they won't sell or give away the discs, what happens when a 2 way shop goes out of business, & a local judge orders all the assets be sold, to cover the debts the store owes? This would include any programming laptops loaded with the software that can't be sold. But yet a judge orders them sold. While I'm not a lawyer, if you have a bill of sale, how can this be wrong? These kind of things tend to keep me up at night, so I try not to think about them. Me, I'd just keep the laptop, & not talk about it on the internet. Whatever you do, good luck. GARY N4KVE

 

[kudos2k]

I have often thought about this. While Motorola makes the people who buy the software sign a contract stating they won't sell or give away the discs, what happens when a 2 way shop goes out of business, & a local judge orders all the assets be sold, to cover the debts the store owes? This would include any programming laptops loaded with the software that can't be sold. But yet a judge orders them sold. While I'm not a lawyer, if you have a bill of sale, how can this be wrong? These kind of things tend to keep me up at night, so I try not to think about them. Me, I'd just keep the laptop, & not talk about it on the internet. Whatever you do, good luck. GARY N4KVE

so the main question remains the same , will be bad to sell ? do i have to sell private ? or just waste my money on this computer, i did turn the computer on and this is what it do have :

ASTRO25 Mobile CPS R17.01.00 + Tuner R05.04.03 RVN4185AN_RVN4186AP
ASTRO25 Portable CPS R17.01.00 + Tuner R05.04.03 RVN4185AN_RVN4186AP
Astro25 Portable R07.00.00 Depot Tool
PRO Series Conventional LS LA AA CPS R06.12.05
APX Portable-Mobile Firmware R08.00.00
MOTOTRBO DEPOT TOOL V3.00_BUILD_2.0
MOTOTRBO Platform LA AA CPS Version 7.6 build 384
MOTOTRBO Tuner Version 7.0 build 114
Motorola Quantar Station firmware upgrade - R20.14.038
Motorola-RDAC _Ver 3.5.0_ build 43
APX DEPOT TOOL R05.00.00

And some other Kenwood Radio Stuff.

 

[N4KVE]

That's a real nice laptop. I'm sure there are people who are already contacting you to buy it. Enjoy. GARY N4KVE

 

[kudos2k]

That's a real nice laptop. I'm sure there are people who are already contacting you to buy it. Enjoy. GARY N4KVE

It is not a laptop it is a dell not too new , dimension 4300S, And no i didn't put it on ebay yet, i was planning
but i want it to know if it was illegal or not that's why i started asking here, but it seems that im going to have it sale private because i dont know if ebay permited or not.

 

[jhooten]

If you put in the ebay listing it has any /\/\ software on it the listing will be pulled. /\/\ has read ebay the riot act.

 

[MTS2000des]

ha ha, this is funny...all current (as of this month) version of Astro 25 CPS..and DEPOT Tool for TRBO?

Yeah, uhm okay- here's the bottom line, you cannot sell, transfer or otherwise copy said software. It should never have been sold to you in the first place, especially anything with the word "DEPOT" in it, which means it is for Motorola's COMPANY owned depot only. With version numbers and product lines that fresh, that computer most likely fell off a truck.

IF you verify it's not stolen, I would wipe the hard drive and sell it as what it is, an older Dell laptop. That is the only LEGAL thing you can do. The software is licensed and cannot be re-sold or transferred without the permission of the grantor.

others are right, Ebay will pull the auction quicker than you can say "Depot tool". and I wouldn't want to answer how I got proprietary intellectual property like depot software to anyone with an "ESQ" at the end of their name.

 

[CanesFan95]

I would just keep that computer and backup all that good software. LOL. :lol:

 

[JRayfield]

Very good points. In fact, some engineers at Motorola don't even have access to the "depot" software. That software is almost literally, kept under "lock and key". There is only one way that the depot software could have gotten on a computer outside of Motorola - that software was stolen from Motorola.

John Rayfield, Jr. CETma

ha ha, this is funny...all current (as of this month) version of Astro 25 CPS..and DEPOT Tool for TRBO?

Yeah, uhm okay- here's the bottom line, you cannot sell, transfer or otherwise copy said software. It should never have been sold to you in the first place, especially anything with the word "DEPOT" in it, which means it is for Motorola's COMPANY owned depot only. With version numbers and product lines that fresh, that computer most likely fell off a truck.

IF you verify it's not stolen, I would wipe the hard drive and sell it as what it is, an older Dell laptop. That is the only LEGAL thing you can do. The software is licensed and cannot be re-sold or transferred without the permission of the grantor.

others are right, Ebay will pull the auction quicker than you can say "Depot tool". and I wouldn't want to answer how I got proprietary intellectual property like depot software to anyone with an "ESQ" at the end of their name.

 

[FFPM571]

Why would a shop have depot tools. I thought those were not " out in the wild" legally . So a shop is using illegal CPS.. Nice

 

[jhooten]

It would be easy enough to find out which employee leaked it. They are encoded with a serial number and if you have a need for it you sign for it by serial number. Engineers have been fired when their copy of lab or depot software were found where it should not be.

 

[zz0468]

Why would a shop have depot tools. I thought those were not " out in the wild" legally . So a shop is using illegal CPS.. Nice

This is common enough. Sometimes Motorola's draconian software rules run afoul of providing a large customer the necessary customer service to keep a system running or a project on schedule. So, occasionally depot or lab software escapes to the wild.

To the OP, you'll probably find it's a hot commodity and wouldn't be difficult to sell. Just don't try to sell it on eBay. I've had eBay auctions cancelled just because I was trying to sell export versions of radios configured for ham band usage in the U.S. /\/\ does indeed watch.

 

[BATTALION33]

i wouldnt bother i tried selling software that i bought from a radio shop that went out that was expired versions of assorted motorola disks the pulled it (ebay) and read me the RIOT act ..

 

[FFPM571]

there are no such thing as expired versions of Motorola software

 

[exkalibur]

Perhaps not expired, but if the software is for radios that have passed the expiry date of being supported (therefore, no parts or service will be provided by Motorola), they can't lay the claim that you're taking money out of their pockets.

Remember folks, while it might be "illegal", we aren't talking about a felony conviction here, we're talking about copyright laws. That's like comparing murder to a parking ticket.

 

[zz0468]

Perhaps not expired, but if the software is for radios that have passed the expiry date of being supported (therefore, no parts or service will be provided by Motorola), they can't lay the claim that you're taking money out of their pockets.

Sure they can. They can claim anything the want. What's in question is whether any particular jury in a civil trial would buy into the notion.

Remember folks, while it might be "illegal", we aren't talking about a felony conviction here, we're talking about copyright laws. That's like comparing murder to a parking ticket.

The civil penalties for copyright violations can be huge... a whole lot more than a parking ticket.

 

[SCPD]

Something doesn't smell right.... I'm calling B.S. A computer bought from a company that went out of business, the computer has some of the most recent CPS AND depot tools, and the computer was able to be purchased at a public auction? Does that sound right? Sounds like this fella has baited a hook and is casting away....

 

[Skypilot007]

Something doesn't smell right.... I'm calling B.S. A computer bought from a company that went out of business, the computer has some of the most recent CPS AND depot tools, and the computer was able to be purchased at a public auction? Does that sound right? Sounds like this fella has baited a hook and is casting away....

Yep, and the fish are biting like crazy.:lol:

Then again with the economy the way it is and lots of county and state REMU (radio electronic maintenance unit) shops being shut down and public entities farming out the work to private sector shops or /\/\ themselves you never know. It could've ended up at an auction.

 

[hhrj]

I bought a computer at the Kidney Foundation Thrift Store for $5 a few years back.
After clearing the password I found the entire juvenile justice system restitution records for the county on the hard drive. I showed it to my son who is a county cop and had worked his way up as a jailer, he actually recognized a lot of the names of people he had locked up. After a low level format I installed Win98 (current at the time) and gave it to a friend.

You never know what you're going to find on a yard sale or auction computer hard drive. My wife sold computers for years and would tell me of the things found in the recycle bin of returned systems.

One heck of a first post Kudos2k!!!
What else do you have?

 

[K4IHS]

Troll? I don't know. But... I was at a city auction in Ohio and up for bid were several rows of desktops on a table. They went for $20 each. The winning bidder didn't want all of them so they said anybody else that wanted any could help themselves for $20 each. While looking in the rows of computers... I saw one labeled radio shop. When I got it home it started right up and had lots of Motorola programming software. It didn't take me long to buy a couple of GP300 and GM300's on eBay. I still have it and it still works!