From little birdies: Mostly ADP but there are a few users of AES256.
Nashville going encrypted
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How are they going to handle ADP with new radios?
Motorola can no longer put ADP in radios for free. And the other manufacturers can't put in free DES either. Not if they want to be P25 Compliant.
https://www.rrmediagroup.com/News/NewsDetails/NewsID/16202
Motorola Removes ADP Encryption as Included Option from Radios
By Sandra Wendelken, Editor
Tuesday, November 07, 2017 | Comments
Motorola Solutions chose to remove the Advanced Digital Privacy (ADP) encryption feature as an included option from all subscriber models.
The announcement followed a Project 25 (P25) Compliance Assessment Program (CAP) encryption requirements compliance assessment bulletin (CAB) published earlier this year that aimed to stop manufacturers from providing subscriber units with a non-P25 standard encryption without also including P25 standard Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) 256 encryption.
Motorola Solutions and four other two-way radio vendors had products on a noncompliant list after the CAB was released. “Each one worked with OIC (Office for Interoperability and Compatibility) to make their equipment compliant,” said Sridhar Kowdley, P25 CAP program manager for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Science and Technology (S&T) Directorate.
https://www.rrmediagroup.com/News/NewsDetails/NewsID/16202
Motorola Removes ADP Encryption as Included Option from Radios
By Sandra Wendelken, Editor
Tuesday, November 07, 2017 | Comments
Motorola Solutions chose to remove the Advanced Digital Privacy (ADP) encryption feature as an included option from all subscriber models.
The announcement followed a Project 25 (P25) Compliance Assessment Program (CAP) encryption requirements compliance assessment bulletin (CAB) published earlier this year that aimed to stop manufacturers from providing subscriber units with a non-P25 standard encryption without also including P25 standard Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) 256 encryption.
Motorola Solutions and four other two-way radio vendors had products on a noncompliant list after the CAB was released. “Each one worked with OIC (Office for Interoperability and Compatibility) to make their equipment compliant,” said Sridhar Kowdley, P25 CAP program manager for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Science and Technology (S&T) Directorate.
Now you want to go E you pay for it... That will slow it a bit,... Maybe.
jpryor
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Reprogramming of radios for additional encryption capability on primary dispatch has moved to Hermitage Precinct the past week. If you have a scanner that shows Radio IDs, you'll notice the reprogrammed radios starting 3xxxx ranges in place of the 1xxxx ranges. Those 3xxxx radios have been seen on and/or affiliating to the future encrypted primary dispatch talkgroups. I suspect these are just reprogrammed radios, and not new radios, both mobiles and portables showing up in the new ranges. All primary dispatch remains on the unencrypted dispatch channels at current time.
What im hearing the new IDS are the ones switching out from older XTS5ks to APC 6ks
APX 6000's yep, and from what I hear a few 7/8000's are in the mix with the higher ups. All the XTS's are going bye bye with everyone. And yes, its the writing on the wall for the old system.
jpryor
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Radio programming moved through Central precinct the past couple weeks. Three precincts down, five to go, taking 2-3 weeks per precinct. Will see what other groups or agencies may need to be touched after Metro in order to maintain interoperabilty.
jpryor
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Metro Police radio programming moved to East precinct this week. NFL draft was an interesting listen last week, PD mostly on Zone Z Interop. Sheriff has also moved at least one facility to P25, and some other Sheriff activity patches more active in recent weeks. Looks like all of the remaining GSA/Security users have moved as well from MOT to P25. Sheriff/GSA/Security folks in the clear.
jpryor
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Radio programming with Madison precinct past couple weeks.
jpryor
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Radio programming through Midtown Hills precinct in the past couple weeks. Seven precincts down, one (North) to go for reprogramming.
For kicks, I plotted some quick burn down and burn up charts for old MNPD radio IDs remaining versus new MNPD radio IDs now active. At the current pace, in ~2 months all remaining old MNPD radio IDs can be converted. The new Radio IDs burn up count has already surpassed the previously old remaining count, likely some other newer radios that were in non-standard ranges.
Only the New Active Radio IDs from the new ranges 36000~40000 have access to the new primary dispatch zone encrypted channels. Beyond occasional or accidental use of the new channels, all primary dispatch remains on the current unencrypted today.
There is not yet an indication that any significant group of radios outside of these new MNPD Radio ID ranges have access to the new primary dispatch zone encrypted channels. Not yet clear if all of the various interoperable users outside of MNPD who frequent the primary dispatch channels today need to be updated next, or if those users will no longer have interoperable access to MNPD primary dispatch. IE-non MNPD users who frequent MNPD primary dispatch channels like the various suburban departments and similar users (Goodlettsville, Mount Juliet, LaVergne, Berry Hill, Belle Meade, Vanderbilt Police, TSU Police, Airport Police, Davidson Sheriff, Railroad Police, TDEC State Parks, TDOT Help Trucks, TWRA, THP, Federal users, etc).
MNPD Radio ID burn down / burn up chart:
For kicks, I plotted some quick burn down and burn up charts for old MNPD radio IDs remaining versus new MNPD radio IDs now active. At the current pace, in ~2 months all remaining old MNPD radio IDs can be converted. The new Radio IDs burn up count has already surpassed the previously old remaining count, likely some other newer radios that were in non-standard ranges.
Only the New Active Radio IDs from the new ranges 36000~40000 have access to the new primary dispatch zone encrypted channels. Beyond occasional or accidental use of the new channels, all primary dispatch remains on the current unencrypted today.
There is not yet an indication that any significant group of radios outside of these new MNPD Radio ID ranges have access to the new primary dispatch zone encrypted channels. Not yet clear if all of the various interoperable users outside of MNPD who frequent the primary dispatch channels today need to be updated next, or if those users will no longer have interoperable access to MNPD primary dispatch. IE-non MNPD users who frequent MNPD primary dispatch channels like the various suburban departments and similar users (Goodlettsville, Mount Juliet, LaVergne, Berry Hill, Belle Meade, Vanderbilt Police, TSU Police, Airport Police, Davidson Sheriff, Railroad Police, TDEC State Parks, TDOT Help Trucks, TWRA, THP, Federal users, etc).
MNPD Radio ID burn down / burn up chart:
| Old MNPD Radio IDs Remaining (Range 13000~15000) |
| New MNPD Radio IDs Active (Range 36000~39000) |
I highly suspect that if they do retouch/OTAP the THP radios for the district, they will also go ahead and set up the access in the codeplug for the fully TDMA/E TG's at the same time to kill 2 birds with one stone. Though they will have to completely do it again in a year or so when they flip the core over to TACN.
jpryor
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updated progress, corrected the old range to 10000 to 15200, so burndown counts now updated, as of mid month, about ~100 radios left in the old range; sheriff radios and park police also being updated in different ranges over the past couple months; i'd say once these last stragglers and the ECC radios get updated, some form of cutover could occur
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Is DCSO going full E as well or only MNPD?
Last we knew NFD and MNPD. Nothing was said about DCSO yet but I'm pretty sure all Public Safety is going E now.
Jonathon_Hopkins
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Thanks for the quick response, from that article I saw it said NFD was not planning on going full encrypted, guess those plans changed?
From what birdies are saying NFD will go at least another set of tacs. Only dispatch will stay clear but not sure I believe they won't go dispatch E too. Pretty much all Public Safety on this new regional system is. NFD already is almost completely E already except that one "deck" of the radios.
Jonathon_Hopkins
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Seems to be unfortunately scanning in middle Tennessee is slowly coming to an end.
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