NC Wildlife Repeaters database update

[Ten42]

NC Wildlife Game Lands

Any idea what frequencies and the unit numbering charactistics the NC Wildlife Game Lands employees use? I seen four of their pick-up trucks today, all four sporting the vhf highband quarterwave, but two of them also had coil style antennas, couldnt tell if lowband or highband. Also, any idea what or how their unit numbers run?

David Hartman

 

[ScanDaBands]

Wildlife Resources Commission

Both the State Bureau of Investigation and Wildlife Commission share the use of these frequencies. Frequencies are used throughout state and each area is assigned a different PL tone.

Frequency Input Type Description Mode
159.09000 151.46000 RM Wildlife and SBI FM
159.28500 151.32500 RM Wildlife and SBI FM
159.31500 151.46000 RM Wildlife and SBI - Concord FM
159.34500 151.38500 RM Wildlife and SBI FM

Codes List: Wildlife Resources Commission Police Unit IDs



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Units statewide are dispatched from Raleigh. Outside of boating season, almost nothing but hunting enforcement is heard, but Wildlife Officers are sent to any major incident on the lakes. Officers seem to have both a state car and boat with trailer so, depending on the season and need, they can do hunting, boating or fishing enforcement.

Wildlife Resources Commission (WRC) divides the states into districts under a lieutenant. Each district is composed of many counties. The districts are split into patrol areas under a sergeant. The patrol areas in the Charlotte area are composed of two or three counties. The unit numbering system is Patrol Area-Individual Officer Number-District. It's not completely certain but in the Charlotte area the numbers probably are:

4-x-6 Mecklenburg/Cabarrus
4-x-7 Iredell/Alexander/Davie
7-x-8 Lincoln/Catawba/Gaston

An "X" at the end of number is an officer's spouse.
An individual officer number of 0 is probably the area sergeant, but this is not completely certain.

Example: 406X would be the spouse of the sergeant in Patrol Area 4 (Mecklenburg/Cabarrus)of Wildlife Commission District 6.

 

[Ten42]

nc game lands

OK let me start over, outside of the information already posted in the database side of RR, does anyone know if the game land employees of the NC Wildlife Resources Commission use the repeater frequencies or one of the numerous simplex frequencies they have and what unit numbers distinguish between the non-enforcement employees. I appreciate you reposting the information from the database, sorry if I didnt make my post clearer. I know the enforcement units are:

first number= area of the district
second number= employee position/ title
third number- district of the state

ie:
434=
4= Area 4
3= Enforcement Officer
4= District 4

District Units, order reversed (0 indicates district unit)
404
4= District 4
0= District Supervisor
1= Captain of D4, 2= Lieutenant, etc...

My questions is I guess concerning the second number, which number is assigned to non-enforcement employees.

Sorry for any confusion. This is how the numbering system was explained to me by a WEO a few years ago. By-the-way, the map you included is from NC Forest Service not Wildlife Resources.

 

[Ten42]

I submitted a more detailed repeater list for NC Wildlife to the database. I had all of the primary CTCSS but not all of the secondary ones, hopefully someone can add to them if they know them. My list was ten years old and I am sure there have been additions or deletions to they system statewide. I am thinking the secondary tones are more of a regional basis thing, as it seems those within a certain area have the same secondary PL's. Anyways, enjoy.

 

[CCHLLM]

Um... the map you posted is the NC Forest Service District map with the daily Readiness Plan level (RP2, RP5, etc.) for the day you downloaded it. Is Alzheimer's slippin' up on ya? :-D Ha ha! I don't have a WR map, but for what it's worth, a new NCFS map will be submitted this coming week.

Anyway, the short coil type antennas, if they're the 800 mHz gain type, are for the MDTs, and the longer coil type antennas are for the VHF high band radio. The units equipped with camera systems have a 1/4 wave VHF high band antenna for the camera system microphones. Then there may also be a multiband scanner antenna.....

 

[ScanDaBands]

Yea I goofed on the map...........s-o-r-r-y...

 

[NCRanger]

Wildlife Resources Commission Enforcement Officers usually drive unmarked cars or SUVs. They usually have marked boats assigned to them as well. There are a few unmarked boats and planes out there for special operations.

The pickup trucks (usually tan or brown) you are seeing are most likely Wildlife Technicians. They do things such as prescribed burns, wildlife management task, and what grounds keeping is needed on gamelands. My understanding is that they can use the repeaters but mostly use simplex. I believe they use the same frequencies as enforcement. I am not 100% sure but I think I've heard them on a repeater before. I think the first number started with a 9 or 8.

White pickup trucks marked with "State Ranger" are NC State Park Rangers. You will not see them around gamelands unless a State Park is nearby or they are assisting the WRC.

 

[Ten42]

NCFS District 11 repeater change

Another change for NCFS District 11, the repeater output is now back to the original frequency of 151.340 and CTCSS of 151.4 This matches up with the FCC license KSJ-271

Any idea why they keep reprograming their radios? Seems like everyother month another change. Oh well guess it gives us old radio folks something to look for.

 

[CCHLLM]

It's the working out of internal state interference issues during ducting (which is occuring more frequently), issues with VAs STARS radio system along the border areas as VA tries to work out STARS teething problems, and basically boils down to give and take in the world of spectrum users. All anyone can do is make changes and see what problems pop up from the changes, which leads to more changes, which leads to...... Yes, it's a pain in the ass process, and it's inconvenient as hell to all, and there are sure to be more changes to come as the process goes on. I'll bet I've reprogrammed my own radios a dozen times since the first of the year, and I'm on the inside of the process.

 

[Ten42]

NC wildlife repeaters

I submitted very detailed information over a week ago covering the VHF repeaters for NC Wildlife and NC State Parks. None of it has been published so far, not sure what the problem is, but I will try it again as soon as time permits. Just reposting this anouncement in case anyone was waiting for it.

 

[KE4ZNR]

I submitted very detailed information over a week ago covering the VHF repeaters for NC Wildlife and NC State Parks. None of it has been published so far, not sure what the problem is, but I will try it again as soon as time permits. Just reposting this anouncement in case anyone was waiting for it.

David,
I am in the midst of going through your submissions and updating the database..I hope to have that completed by this evening...on a related note I have merged your related posts together...before I did the merge there were 3 separate threads by you on same topic...please add related information to existing threads before creating new ones...helps keep the forum clutter down...
Thanks for understanding!
Marshall KE4ZNR

 

[Ten42]

reply

Not a problem, I will not clutter up your threads again. I'll keep my information at home.

Signing Off,

 

[blantonl]

David,

They were not his threads - they were your threads. He was just trying to help.

I'm sorry you took offense to one of our moderators actions - and in discussions with him he's obviously disappointed at your reaction.

Remember, sometimes actions get misinterpreted when they are communicated electronically. I know that he's been working hard to incorporate your changes into the database.

Stick around - the community as a whole is better for it.

 

[richrowl]

NC Wildlife freqs

Many thanks to David Hartman for the update on wildlife frequencies. My computer must have an anti-clutter device, I never had any cluttering whatsoever.

 

[KE4ZNR]

Many thanks to David Hartman for the update on wildlife frequencies.

Indeed thanks to Dave (and all RR.com info submitters) for his (their) contributions...

My computer must have an anti-clutter device, I never had any cluttering whatsoever.

Anti-clutter device= forum moderators.
Guess that means we fullfilling our obligation to the RR.com community
Happy Monitoring!
Marshall KE4ZNR

 

[jeffmulter]

Since most of the WRC repeaters access with 2 separate PL tones, any interest in indicating the tones displayed on the repeater output when units are talking back to Raleigh ?

 

[KE4ZNR]

Since most of the WRC repeaters access with 2 separate PL tones, any interest in indicating the tones displayed on the repeater output when units are talking back to Raleigh ?

Jeff,
I am in the process of figuring out the best way to go about this in the database...presently the database only allows one CTCSS/DCS tone per listing...I am trying to organize the channels so that both tones can be shown without too much confusion...
Hope this makes sense...
Marshall KE4ZNR

 

[barefootdipole]

WRC Trenton KCT-236 and air surveillance ops

just puzzled, seeing as this thread says that info has been updated about WRC repeaters in the database....

the database lists Trenton on 159.315...this is incorrect. (unless this refers to some planned future changes)
(i'm hearing Sanford on there right now from here in ENC)

Trenton KCT-236 is on 159.345 (and has been for decades).
(this is as of five mins ago...)

also, there have been AIR SURVEILLANCE OPS by WRC officers, coordinating illegal hunting surveillance with ground units at night, here in eastern NC in the Jones/Craven area close to Trenton on
154.905 simplex.....this as of last night....both air and ground units simplex on this frequency....(in the past decades i used to hear these air-ground surveillance OPS on 151.460 simplex).

73
Barefootdipole

 

[Ten42]

nc wildlife

You are correct on the Trenton repeater, my typo, sorry for the mistake. I copied the info from a radio program sheet, and hopefully KE4ZNR or one of the moderators will correct it. Speaking of 154.905, did you by chance catch the PL? I have logged that freq with 94.8 CTCSS.
Good question Jeff concerning the two tone listing, when I submitted the original "update" I included both PL's or at least for the ones I knew about hoping that others could fill in the blanks on the ones I didnt know. My list came from a central NC district unit and the dual PL's were only shown for the repeaters they are using. IN District 5, they use to use 151.340 and PL of 91.5, but since the NC Forest Service is using that freq (basically in the same counties) for its repeaters now, PL of 151.4, figured that has changed. Especially since the wildlife radios recieve without PL, they have too for the encryption to work. The Virginia Game Wardens also use 151.340, pl of 192.8, for surveilance but thats statewide up here. I have heard both VA & NC in years past working together and communicating on that freq, both using their own PL's so the monitor function can be disabled if need be I would guess. My list came from good sources, but was a few years old. Maybe we need to start a list of the surveilance freqs and post them as well. So far this year, I havent heard any surv comms.

David

 

[barefootdipole]

david,
sorry but i didn't catch the PL on the surveillance OPS on 154.905....and no, the database has still not been corrected for Trenton 159.345 (this has been the Trenton freq since the mid 1980's)..... :-(

73
Barefootdipole