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voss23

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I'm sure this has been asked a million times and I apologize up front, but I couldn't find the specific answer I was looking for.

If I wanted to be able to communicate from GA to KY (500 miles) what type of equipment is recommended?

I see a lot of about repeaters/antennas and understand there are licensing requirements, but I feel like I can't get a simple straight forward answer when searching.

Maybe that's because there isn't a straightforward answer.
Thanks for any guidance help.
voss.
 

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No repeater is going to get you 500 miles, unless they are linked. You can use hotspots and such, which use the internet between ham radios and other repeaters.

If you just want to use RF and not the internet, you need to use HF. You would need General license. While you do get some limited HF privileges with a Technician license, it's largely useless.
 

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Thanks for the replay, but what type of equipment is required for HF and is it readily available and easy to install ?
I'm trying to determine equipment cost/availability before worrying about licensing.
thanks again.
 
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Voss, you asked a good question and I a sure you will get plenty of advice.
But since you asked a simple question and I will try and keep my suggestion simple too.

High Frequency radio is what you are looking at..... and you will need at least a General class license.
That said, I helped a (relatively) recent new ham set up her HF station-- and simply put, it consists of only three things---

An Icom 718 HF transceiver (this set her back about $600.)
An Icom AH 710 folded terminated dipole (another ~$300)
An Astron 20A power supply (she paid ~$150)

Prices even a year ago probably vary from the above, but for anything new-out-of-the- box-- figure on $1200 USD.

These, a length of coax and some minor other doo-dads comprise her station.
She is about 250 miles from me with mountains in between.... we can talk anytime on 40, 60, even 160 metre's. She routinely chats all over the world with this modest station.

Does this help ? :)

Lauri


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Ask 20 hams a question and you'll get 20 different answers.

The short answer has been answered above. If there is a decent VHF/UHF LINKED Repeater system for hams in your area, that will work too. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT let anyone tell you a technician with 10m isn't worth it. I have worked parts of South America, Mexico, and a bit of the US with 100 watts on 10m.

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I guess I can't help but make a few more suggestions :giggle:.

The Icom 7300 is a nice radio-- I own/own'd quite a few Icom's over the years and have been 'imprinted' with their branded loyalty, of such.
I have no qualms about second'ing an Icom recommendation. My reluctance about the 7300 is; its a lot of radio. Plenty of bells and whistles. For someone just getting started in ham radio, I question how many of those features do they need.
Case in point..... my friend above.

She is the type that once motivated moves mountains. She got the ham-radio bug without having ever even talked on a radio. I told her that the examinations were really quite easy for a woman of her temperment, so whe went out, got the Tech and General class ARRL license manuals (I told here to go straight for the General)-- and practice (cram) the questions/answers on :

HamStudy.org: Cutting edge amateur radio study tools

She set a 2 week time period to be ready; she scheduled for a test session with a local VE group-- and on that fateful day ace'd both the Tech and General. 48 hours later she had her callsign**

Okay, you get the picture--- if this girl sets her mind on something, move out of her way :giggle:.


So now, "what kind of radio should I get ?"

For someone who had barely even twirl'd the dial on a transceiver that was a interesting question.

To buy all that you can afford anticipating growing into all the flashing lights and tingling bells ?
Or be like me -- Keep it simple.

I am hesitant to mention this for the dinosaur I am, but I still have my government issued Icom 720A***.
Compared to a modern Icom its like the difference between a Tesla and a 1960's VW Bug .
Anyone can use a 720, But something like a 7300 ? - did I want to saddle my friend with something that complicated when she barely understood how to find the power-on switch ?

In the end she saw the wisdom of a radio she could use, not curse. The 718 was a challenge enuff, and I can't begin to tell anyone how many hours we spent together on the 'phone working our way thru programming it.
Unless you are some sort of computer geek, I'd start simple and later, if you see a reason, up grade to another high'r-end radio..... but that is just me.

So far my friend has been enjoying her new hobby. She is not into the technical side of radio, preferring to 'rag chew' on HF with some new found friends around the world.

So.................. caveat emptor :giggle: !


Lauri
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** It was one of those ghastly, hideous combination of letters-callsigns.
"We have to do something about it !" I said.
18 days later she received the vanity call of her own choosing :giggle: .



*** I carried this radio with me all over the world- a reliable friend that was 'open'd up' frequency-wise from our first days together- by the simple cutting of that 'turquoise wire. ' When years later and I was retiring I ask'd my agency if they wanted it back.....a simple two letter answer ---
(there were no records that it ever had been issued to me)---


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DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT let anyone tell you a technician with 10m isn't worth it.

Well then I'm going to do it. It isn't worth it. If the OP is looking for any sort of reliable communications to 500 miles, you're going to need more than 10m. 10m isn't going to do it at night, and when the band conditions are poor, like they have been up until now, it could be weeks or even months before 500 miles is possible on 10m.

The answer is 100% a General ticket, with access to all the bands. You can easily reach 500 miles 24/7/365, and not have to worry about the conditions.
 

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like GeraldP said, cell phone IS a radio after all.
if you consider 10M, listen first to see if anyone from your target area comes up.
 
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Well then I'm going to do it. It isn't worth it. If the OP is looking for any sort of reliable communications to 500 miles, you're going to need more than 10m. 10m isn't going to do it at night, and when the band conditions are poor, like they have been up until now, it could be weeks or even months before 500 miles is possible on 10m.

The answer is 100% a General ticket, with access to all the bands. You can easily reach 500 miles 24/7/365, and not have to worry about the conditions.
Understanding of course that the other person also needs a general class license also...

Good luck !!

Thanks
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I guess I can't help but make a few more suggestions :giggle:.

The Icom 7300 is a nice radio-- I own/own'd quite a few Icom's over the years and have been 'imprinted' with their branded loyalty, of such.
I have no qualms about second'ing an Icom recommendation. My reluctance about the 7300 is; its a lot of radio. Plenty of bells and whistles. For someone just getting started in ham radio, I question how many of those features do they need.
Case in point..... my friend above.

She is the type that once motivated moves mountains. She got the ham-radio bug without having ever even talked on a radio. I told her that the examinations were really quite easy for a woman of here temperment, so whe went out, got the Tech and General class ARRL license manuals (I told here to go straight for the General)-- and practice (cram) the questions/answers on :

HamStudy.org: Cutting edge amateur radio study tools

She set a 2 week time period to be ready; she scheduled for a test session with a local VE group-- and on that fateful day ace'd both the Tech and General. 48 hours later she had her callsign**

Okay, you get the picture--- if this girl sets her mind on something, move out of her way :giggle:.


So now, "what kind of radio should I get ?"

For someone who had barely even twirl'd the dial on a transceiver that was a interesting question.

To buy all that you can afford anticipating growing into all the flashing lights and tingling bells ?
Or be like me -- Keep it simple.

I am hesitant to mention this for the dinosaur I am, but I still have my government issued Icom 720A***.
Compared to a modern Icom its like the difference between a Tesla and a 1960's VW Bug .
Anyone can use a 720, But something like a 7300 ? - did I want to saddle my friend with something that complicated when she barely understood how to find the power-on switch ?

In the end she saw the wisdom of a radio she could use, not curse. The 718 was a challenge enuff, and I can't begin to tell anyone how many hours we spent together on the 'phone working our way thru programming it.
Unless you are some sort of computer geek, I'd start simple and later, if you see a reason, up grade to another high'r-end radio..... but that is just me.

So far my friend has been enjoying her new hobby. She is not into the technical side of radio, preferring to 'rag chew' on HF with some new found friends around the world.

So.................. caveat emptor :giggle: !


Lauri
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________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
** It was one of those ghastly, hideous combination of letters-callsigns.
"We have to do something about it !" I said.
18 days later she received the vanity call of her own choosing :giggle: .



*** I carried this radio with me all over the world- a reliable friend that was 'open'd up' frequency-wise from our first days together- by the simple cutting of that 'turquoise wire. ' When years later and I was retiring I ask'd my agency if they wanted it back.....a simple two letter answer ---
(there were no records that it ever had been issued to me)---


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Whats wrong with a 60's VW Beetle...? It'll be interesting to see how many Teslas are still on the road 40 - 50 - or 60 years from now....

(I know you were just making a comparison of the technology level :) )

Thanks
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Well then I'm going to do it. It isn't worth it. If the OP is looking for any sort of reliable communications to 500 miles, you're going to need more than 10m. 10m isn't going to do it at night, and when the band conditions are poor, like they have been up until now, it could be weeks or even months before 500 miles is possible on 10m.

The answer is 100% a General ticket, with access to all the bands. You can easily reach 500 miles 24/7/365, and not have to worry about the conditions.

I guess, I've worked 10 for years and made 500+ mile contacts with ease on a compromised antenna setup with minimal issues even during poor conditions and at night. To each their own though. I still prefer 2m and simplex.

Regards,

-Frank C.
 

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The 7300 Has a waterfall, a built in tuner, and easily connects to the computer. Those are the points that sold me.

If price is a sticking point for you be sure to check out the Alinco DX-SR8T/E. Been a while since I reseached that stuff, but I think the Alinco can be used as an SDR while the 718 cannot.
 

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I look at ham radio in a different way. It isn't about making contacts to lower slobbovia, or how many FT8 contacts made; I stress to our new hams that the Technician license is just the beginning or it can be in itself, the sky's the limit. I then explain that the technician license can let you talk to the ISS, relay to satellites; with DMR, talk around the world.
What I mean is the license is a beginning of great technical learning. They can stop with the tech or continue with general and extra. Just get a good paying job and an understanding wife/girlfriend...;) eta, or get her to become a ham, too!
 

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Easiest, cheapest and most likely way without relying on your own internet/phone connection would be if you and the other end both have local DMR repeaters that are on either TGIF or Brandmeister. Check RepeaterBook.com: Quick Search to see what is available to you.

Then check for any EchoLink repeaters. Not common where I am, maybe a better option for the OP.


Otherwise you'll need HF. I recommend something that can do computer digital modes so even when conditions are crap you can still send data with pretty good success.

On HF something as simple as a hamstick with a magmount on your vehicle can be very effective.

And I'll say an Icom 7300 isn't too much for a newb. I got mine eight months before I ever got licensed. There is no shortage of YouTube videos going through all the functions.
 
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