NMSP on 700 mhz

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It should be noted the vhf will still be in use or can be. It is a where pheasable application.
 

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I ran Pro96Com and have updated the DB. 7 sites so far. It's like an Easter Egg hunt!
 

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I ran Pro96Com and have updated the DB. 7 sites so far. It's like an Easter Egg hunt!

I have a feeling that you're going to see additional agencies joining the TRS as it's built out. Any site that's showing online as a neighbor should have it's control channel marked as being active. I suspect you may see the city of Santa Fe joining this system down the road.

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That is the plan. Several have opted in down road including smaller entities, some wanting secure options on their local level.
 

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I'm really excited about this new system! I didn't expect to see it coming online so soon, though.

Questions: do we know which agencies, other than DPS, are going to join this system? Will client agencies who join the system have a variety of radio vendors to choose from?

I would like to see my "home" county join this system. They have fairly good coverage with their VHF conventional system now, but their tower locations would also make great locations for TRS sites. The coms guy for the county SO, though, is a ham guy too and I'm sure he'd immediately jump on the "secure options."
 

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Whoops, I forgot to mark the CCs. I fixed it. If anyone else can log any other sites, please submit the Pro96Com site file!


Thanks!
 

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Tips for those who are new to trunking, P25, wide area systems and the such:

When submitting site information, be aware that most of these use RFSS and Site numbers. Procomm, unitrunker and the such usually shows it as 101, 105, 215, etc. That should translate to RFSS 1, Site 1, RFSS 1, Site 5, RFSS 2, Site 15, etc. This is critically important to get it correct.

I am pretty sure that this is a Motorola core, and as such site NAC's are typically never reused. In a Harris core, they can be. The NAC is a combination of the system ID and the site.

Simulcating has regained popularity with these systems. Please make sure you are not submitting a simulcast site as a separate site, where we end up with 5 sites transmitting the same thing. Its happened. Simulcast sites are entered in to the RRDB as a single site and is noted as such in the site detail comments.

When submitting talkgroups, please state which district they belong to, or if its a statewide used talkgroup (usually special/regional teams). Be specific.

Do note that with wide area systems, if a radio is on talkgroup 1, and travels across the state or near other areas, it will affiliate to towers located in other areas. This may be mistaken by those unfamiliar that a talkgroup is used by multiple districts, agencies and/or misidentifying a site as a simulcast site (this has also happened).

Other than administrative restrictions in the trunked system (if any/enabled) it is perfectly normal to hear normally out of area units in these "foreign" areas. Please do not assume, it only degrades the information in the RRDB and gives everyone a poor scanning experience.

I've already heard of some requests to display the information in certain way(s) so it looks "good" on their scanner. It is policy on RadioRefernce that the information is primarily displayed/entered for the web service. It is up to the manufactures of scanners and software to pull and display the information for the product you are using, and how it works for their product.

We do try to accommodate both the web users and those who use RRDB aware products, but what may work fine for say a GRE scanner may not work for a Uniden scanner, or other product. Keeping the webservice as the primary collection point keeps things fairly universal. We can't make everyone happy, but we do our best.
 

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With all that being said, we are already getting confliciting submissions.

Lets see what this is:

Talkgroup 101

101 - NMSP Dist 1 Dispatch
101 - NMSP Dist 5 Dispatch
101 - District 5 ops?

Which one?

102 - Car to Car
102 - Tactical/Speed Enforcement

Which one?

109 - NMSP Dist 5 Abq Dispatch

Site 2 and Site 5 both are showing NAC 850 for NAC's.

I'm now told this is a Motorola core and its actually not site numbers in the 100's.
 

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Almost forgot - please make sure you have your private messages and/or email notificiations turned on if you are submitting information. Admins can send you "submission notes" when clarification is needed for your submissions.

If you do not respond after time, your submission may be rejected until clarified further. There is also no need to submit new submissions to respond to the notes.
 

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102 was being used yesterday for Lidar enforcement on I-25 near Santa Fe
Lidar unit communicating with several chase vehicles
 

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How’s it going guys. It is like an Easter egg hunt on this new system. I am not using Pro96 software. Using Bcd436HP and TRX-1 to identify.

Note Talkgroup ID 109 is currently being simalcast on Abq District 5 VHF and 700 conventional. Bolos for Abq units being received.

Anybody have any info on tower locations for sites 769.16875 and 769.46875? Both heard strong in Abq Metro with 769.46875 the strongest east downtown where I am currently. Need to identify if signal strength is stronger for site 769.16875 north in Rio Rancho or Bernillio Area? Both of these sites are using the same NAC950h. Also, I am receiving a control channel on 769.20625 but very weak from my location. Not strong enough to identify voice channels.
 

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Abqscan,
Thanks for updating site yesterday with 7 sites. Noticed
gone today on DB. How did you find he Alt control channel info? Does Pro96 software do this for you?
If so that’s pretty cool.
 

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Rad-1: use procom, uniteunker or similar for finding this information. The scanners are known to lack manynof the quailities that the software solutions have.

Many confusing information has come from the scanner method.
 

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It decides the control channel fairly deep, and extracts more useful information than the scanners do.

I’m going to hazard this is part of the reason for conflicting information
 

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Abqscan,
Thanks for updating site yesterday with 7 sites. Noticed
gone today on DB. How did you find he Alt control channel info? Does Pro96 software do this for you?
If so that’s pretty cool.


I don't have a clue why PJH would delete confirmed information from the database.
 

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Pro96Com is an awesome program that provides a lot of details for the database. I did screw up and entered the Site #s incorrectly yesterday.



Here is what the report looks like for site 4 and 5. It provides the system id, site ID, WACN, Tower #, FCC Callsign (only if the system is programed to transmit it) Frequencies (marks the Control Channel, the alternate CCs, and voice/data channels) and the site neighbors, and their CC.



FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 854
System Name :
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-4
Tower Number (Hex) : T0104
Tower Description :
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) : WPTZ778
Timestamp : Tue Jul 17 21:24:53 2018

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
04,935.01250,0.01250,-39.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
05,935.01250,0.01250,-39.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"01-1146","c",769.16875,"01-1146",799.16875,0,0
"01-1186","a",769.41875,"01-1186",799.41875,0,0
"01-1226","a",769.66875,"01-1226",799.66875,0,0
"01-1266","a",769.91875,"01-1266",799.91875,0,0
"01-1384","vd",770.65625,"01-1384",800.65625,0,170
"01-1764","vdp",773.03125,"01-1764",803.03125,0,169
"01-1808","vd",773.30625,"01-1808",803.30625,1,171
"01-1848","vd",773.55625,"01-1848",803.55625,0,167
"01-1884","vd",773.78125,"01-1884",803.78125,0,167
"01-1924","vd",774.03125,"01-1924",804.03125,0,175
"01-1964","vd",774.28125,"01-1964",804.28125,1,173
"01-2054","i",774.84375,"01-2054",804.84375,0,51

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
101,"T0101",854,"01-1148",769.18125,""
102,"T0102",854,"01-1150",769.19375,""
103,"T0103",854,"01-1264",769.90625,""
105,"T0105",854,"01-1194",769.46875,""
106,"T0106",854,"01-1152",769.20625,""
108,"T0108",854,"01-1772",773.08125,""


FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 854
System Name :
WACN : BEE00
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-5
Tower Number (Hex) : T0105
Tower Description :
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) : WPTZ778
Timestamp : Mon Jul 16 19:42:50 2018

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00625,0.00625,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
01,762.00625,0.00625,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
02,851.01250,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
03,762.00625,0.01250,30.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2
04,935.01250,0.01250,-39.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
05,935.01250,0.01250,-39.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"01-1194","c",769.46875,"01-1194",799.46875,0,0
"01-1224","a",769.65625,"01-1224",799.65625,0,0
"01-1268","a",769.93125,"01-1268",799.93125,1,0
"01-1348","a",770.43125,"01-1348",800.43125,0,0
"01-1430","v",770.94375,"01-1430",800.94375,0,3
"01-1768","v",773.05625,"01-1768",803.05625,0,3
"01-1812","v",773.33125,"01-1812",803.33125,1,3
"01-1854","vd",773.59375,"01-1854",803.59375,1,2
"01-1892","v",773.83125,"01-1892",803.83125,0,3
"01-1932","v",774.08125,"01-1932",804.08125,0,3
"01-1972","v",774.33125,"01-1972",804.33125,1,3
"01-2046","i",774.79375,"01-2046",804.79375,0,2

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
101,"T0101",854,"01-1148",769.18125,""
102,"T0102",854,"01-1150",769.19375,""
103,"T0103",854,"01-1264",769.90625,""
104,"T0104",854,"01-1146",769.16875,""
106,"T0106",854,"01-1152",769.20625,""
108,"T0108",854,"01-1772",773.08125,""
 
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