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Hey all,

This past Monday we had our weekly meeting and I figured I would ask one of the members who happens to be a sergeant in the NYSP about the use of a scanner in my vehicle. He told me that most troopers will not bother you if you are in the FD and use only for calls or if all you have programmed in is Emergency freq's. I know there are members in the FD who carry them but I wanted to just clarification. He also said if it was not for the fact of being in the FD then there would be fines and whatever as he feels, as do most, that there is no reason for the general public to have one in their vehicle.

Now I would have put this in the sticky thread but it is apparently closed. Just wanted to give the FF's a heads up and see if their area allows this as well...never hurts to ask to be on the safe side.

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Lol Fire fighters are not on the list of people allowed to have scanners in their vehicles. The trooper you asked says they wont bother you. OK if he is in a good mood maybe but the law is the law and fire fighters are not exempt from the law. Fire fighters have pagers and all one needs is the pager to get the call once your on your fire truck or at scene then you can use your fd radio... I have scanners and drive a pickup truck. I take my scanner everywhere and when cops are near it gets buried under the back seat I have no trunk never had a problem as of yet.
 
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I never said they were exempt or that the law said they were exempt. I was simply stating what I was told. As for radio's not all FF's have radio's only officers. This is a volunteer FD. Well not sure where you are from but up here if you get caught speeding with your blue light on you get a nice little vacation not to mention a nice ticket or tickets. A couple from our department have had this happen so no one dares.

The point I was trying to make was around here it is accepted by the police to have them on an emergency basis ie going to a call although they will from what he says let it slide...even if the new jacks don't the judge in town will ;):D. Also all I was asking is what other towns are like and if anyone has ever asked for better clarification on the use of them in certain situations. I never once said it was a standard throughout the state.
 

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I believe this topic has been discussed in great length numerous times. Rather than starting a new thread each time could everyone just do a simple search and continue on the original thread. Another possibility that exists is to leave the poor dead horse alone.:wink:
 

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I believe this topic has been discussed in great length numerous times. Rather than starting a new thread each time could everyone just do a simple search and continue on the original thread. Another possibility that exists is to leave the poor dead horse alone.:wink:

In my original post I mentioned that the topic is locked. So since that was locked I was not able to continue on with it. I do not see the harm in expressing my point on a topic.
 

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no please do tell. I feel I did nothing wrong and yet I am being attacked.

Chris please dont take my reply as an attack because thats not how it was meant. The reason I feel the thread was locked is because the discussion can go on and on for ever. NYS traffic law applies to all of new york state. While some parts of ny are strict and others are not, the law is the law and thats the bottom line. There are law biding people and there are just plain cocky people. My statement about blue lights,, vollies on long island are legally allowed one blue light, after recieving whats called a blue light card from their chief. While many vollies here display one blue light and have the card, there are many that have many lights making them look like a disco and do not have the card. In any event they feel because they are vollie fd that they dont need to follow rules. They blow stop signs, run red traffic lights, speed, weave in and out of traffic, etc.This is wrong and unsafe.. Law is law. And you can see by this how a simple topic can just go on and on forever.


Happy turkey day to all here stay safe..
 
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In a way I agree. Where it gets out of control is when someone starts hammering about the law. I know the law and what it says. I was merely asking what others dealt with in their area. As for the ones blowing through signs and what not turn them in, which is what I was leading to in my response to your last post. I am done with this thread as it seems this can't be a simple thread.
 

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Lol

Believe me Chris Having a scanner, knowing what fd has a call and knowing what dept jurisdiction I am in, I catch plate numbers and have had discussions with chiefs about my safety concerns. Dont get me wrong, I value vollies and admire what they do but around here they fly up on your ass with many flashing blue lights expecting you to move out the way as if they are cops..And this puts innocent people at risk of injury. And at some point i am sure a long island vollie will add his 2 cents but I research my facts before posting

Section 375. Equipment.

4. Blue light. One blue light may be affixed to any motor vehicle
owned by a volunteer member of a fire department or on a motor vehicle owned by a member of such person’s family residing in the same household or by a business enterprise in which such person has a proprietary interest or by which he or she is employed, provided such volunteer firefighter has been authorized in writing to so affix a blue light by the chief of the fire department or company of which he or she is a member, which authorization shall be subject to revocation at any time by the chief who issued the same or his or her successor in office. Such blue light may be displayed exclusively by such volunteer firefighter on such a vehicle only when engaged in an emergency operation. The use of blue and red light combinations shall be prohibited on all fire vehicles. The use of blue lights on fire vehicles shall be prohibited and the use of blue lights on vehicles shall be restricted for use only by a volunteer firefighter as provided for in this paragraph.


This was found here

http://forums.firehouse.com/archive/index.php/t-46364.html

Interesting thread how the nys law states only vollies can display one blue light, but pd are now displaying them. The law breaking the law You cant make this stuff up

Dave
 
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dave3825: NYS law changes. Blue lights (facing rearward) are now legal on police cars.

chrisdaman77: I think people are attacking your post (not you necessarily) because they have learned that when a topic is locked it means that further discussion is not welcome. Opening a new thread to continue a locked one is a good way to get into trouble with the moderators, and it annoys many other people on the forums.

I expect to see this thread locked any minute now....
 

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dave3825: NYS law changes. Blue lights (facing rearward) are now legal on police cars.


Hey Dave, I know your good with all the laws and such, Is this in writing anywhere? Im on a few boards and this is a hot topic..

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Hey Dave, I know your good with all the laws and such, Is this in writing anywhere? Im on a few boards and this is a hot topic..

Dave

Of course the law is in writing. The law was amended and went into effect 2.5 years ago. The Firehouse.com forum is hardly an official source of information. I thought you "research (your) facts before posting"? Guess not, huh? :roll:

http://www.nysgtsc.state.ny.us/bluelite.htm

http://www.nysgtsc.state.ny.us/emer-vt.htm

As far as your gripe with the local vollies "fly(ing) up on your ass with many flashing blue lights expecting you to move out the way as if they are cops", just remember that they could be responding to YOUR house or to help YOUR loved ones. Just because you're tooling around town with your scanner, and you think you know what kind of job they're going to based on what you hear, doesn't mean you know the whole story. I'm certainly not going to defend the yahoos/whackers out there who do 100 MPH, because they're wrong for doing so. However, how would you feel if you had a fire alarm system installed in your residence, and the local FD decided "It's only a BS alarm system, they malfunction all the time, so let's respond at a reduced rate with just one rig"? See, even if a high percentage of these alarms are in fact BS, some are not. Some are very legit indeed, which is why the FD treats all alarms as legit until proven otherwise.

Cut them some slack...don't worry about counting how many blue lights they have or taking plate numbers down, that's the POLICE DEPT's job, not yours...enjoy being a scanner buff and listening, but stop passing judgment based on what you think you know based on what you hear, you don't know the full story if you're not on the job...and next time one of these volunteers "flies up your ass", remember that they might be responding to help someone you know or love, so PULL OVER.

By the way, I love how in one post you fully admit to breaking the law yourself: "I have scanners and drive a pickup truck. I take my scanner everywhere and when cops are near it gets buried under the back seat I have no trunk never had a problem as of yet.", then in your very next post start lecturing about how "There are law biding people and there are just plain cocky people." (I guess you fall into the latter category by your own admission) and "This is wrong and unsafe.. Law is law." You, sir, are clearly a hypocrite. What was the point of even bringing up the blue light law? It has no relevance to this discussion, unless you are trying to make some blanket statement that volunteer firefighters tend to break or ignore the law? You wouldn't happen to be one of those guys on the outside looking in who has a hard on for the local FD, or firefighters in general, would you? Because I have to say, your posts sure do make it sound like you do.


To the OP: Chris, it's all fine and well that your local PD don't care what the firefighters do, but what happens in your little neck of the woods has zero relevance anywhere else. Furthermore, just because that one cop you spoke to says he doesn't care, doesn't mean that everyone else in his dept feels the same way. The law is the law, and any cop can enforce it as they deem necessary. The original thread was locked for good reason, because people beat this issue to DEATH over and over. Some people do not want to get it through their thick skulls that the law says NO regarding mobile scanner use, and others are constantly trying to play armchair attorney in picking apart the law to find some BS loopholes so they can justify breaking it. There is no point in asking "what do your cops let you get away with?", because it doesn't matter one bit. Just be happy that your local cops turn their heads the other way when you break the law, and leave it at that.
 
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All of this agnst comes out when ever injustice exists and this law is just that. Unfortunatly there is no one or no group willing to mount a campagine to force its removal from the "V & T's". Todays police forces should know how not to give out information that would put them in jepordy. Thats all I need to say
 

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do most cops really care or even know about the law if you have a scanner in your car? or just the anal ones who are having a bad day? hey, maybe one day i'll find out for myself
 

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With the level of paranoia out there by law enforcement in general, do you really want to tempt fate?
 

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one LAST COMMENT!! use your scanner responsibly,dont buff calls dont call everyone when you hear an incident and respect all fd/pd/ems personnell and you should NEVER have a problem.
 

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Thank heavens for the blue light lynch posse of one. Let the cops do their job. I am not a Long Island Volunteer.
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Believe me Chris Having a scanner, knowing what fd has a call and knowing what dept jurisdiction I am in, I catch plate numbers and have had discussions with chiefs about my safety concerns. Dont get me wrong, I value vollies and admire what they do but around here they fly up on your ass with many flashing blue lights expecting you to move out the way as if they are cops..And this puts innocent people at risk of injury. And at some point i am sure a long island vollie will add his 2 cents but I research my facts before posting

Section 375. Equipment.

4. Blue light. One blue light may be affixed to any motor vehicle
owned by a volunteer member of a fire department or on a motor vehicle owned by a member of such person’s family residing in the same household or by a business enterprise in which such person has a proprietary interest or by which he or she is employed, provided such volunteer firefighter has been authorized in writing to so affix a blue light by the chief of the fire department or company of which he or she is a member, which authorization shall be subject to revocation at any time by the chief who issued the same or his or her successor in office. Such blue light may be displayed exclusively by such volunteer firefighter on such a vehicle only when engaged in an emergency operation. The use of blue and red light combinations shall be prohibited on all fire vehicles. The use of blue lights on fire vehicles shall be prohibited and the use of blue lights on vehicles shall be restricted for use only by a volunteer firefighter as provided for in this paragraph.


This was found here

http://forums.firehouse.com/archive/index.php/t-46364.html

Interesting thread how the nys law states only vollies can display one blue light, but pd are now displaying them. The law breaking the law You cant make this stuff up

Dave
 

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With the level of paranoia out there by law enforcement in general, do you really want to tempt fate?
That's quite an inflammatory statement...Especially coming from a FDNY dispatcher..What is it you mean by 'paranoia' ??
 
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