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ANI ALI

ANI = Automatic Number Identification
ALI = Automatic Location Identification

These are E911 terms. When you call 911 from your land line, your telephone number shows up as ANI.
The ANI (your phone number) is used to query a database to get the location information - ALI.
 

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It means exactly what mmckenna stated.. and it's not incredibly accurate or precise in any way.
 

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there are, many terms associated with an enhanced 911 system, in the older psaps the 911 console had two sides NYNEX now Verizon along with quick transfer buttons, etc language line,& a bunch of other configible buttons a dtmf keypad to transfer calls to links not on a transfer button, above the keypad is the automatic number ID(ANI) and on the left side of the screen was the Automatic Location ID which displays the location of the telephone number that called 911 along with the subscriber name and the names of the Police/ Fire/EMS agencies that cover the area of that Phone number. this was in the late 1990-2000 I know that now the psaps are pc based and most likely interconnected to a CAD which is also is a tool for dispatchers (Computer Aided Dispatch )

one last note as per law, the primary psap is always is answered by a Law Enforcement Agency then a call is branched to the correct ems and fire agency. so a PD first answers the call then transfers it.

on a side note, in 1975 the US dept of Transportation made a requirement that Emergency Medical Dispatch be made available when answering a medical emergency call but not really if ever enforced.

EMT 587,former police and fire/ems dispatcher, certified by Apco, & national academy of emergency dispatch
 
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one last note as per law, the primary psap is always is answered by a Law Enforcement Agency then a call is branched to the correct ems and fire agency. so a PD first answers the call then transfers it.
Citation please.
(As there are plenty of counties in NY that have a consolidated center that is not a part of a LE agency).
 

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one last note as per law, the primary psap is always is answered by a Law Enforcement Agency then a call is branched to the correct ems and fire agency. so a PD first answers the call then transfers it.
Huh. I never knew I was working for a law enforcement agency for the last 16 years.
 

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one last note as per law, the primary psap is always is answered by a Law Enforcement Agency then a call is branched to the correct ems and fire agency. so a PD first answers the call then transfers it.
Incorrect.

The operation of PSAP's in NYS are governed by Title 21 Chapter LX "New York State 911 Board"

21 CRR-NY 5203.1 defines PSAP as:

PSAP means public safety answering point, a site designated and operated by a governmental entity for the purpose of receiving emergency calls from customers of a wireless telephone service supplier.
Operation by a local or state governmental entity is the requirement, not "law enforcement agency".

Certainly there are plenty of PSAP's throughout the state that are operated by local or state law enforcement agencies, but it's not a requirement. A county-operated 911 center not under the jurisdiction of a law enforcement agency is perfectly acceptable.

It's also worth noting that the routing of 911 calls often depends on their origin. In Rockland County, for example, landline 911 calls are routed to the local police department PSAP for each town or village. Cellular 911 calls, on the other hand, are routed to the county 911 center.

The transfer of 911 calls between the various PSAP's all depends on which services are being requested, and who dispatches what. That's determined by local policy as appropriate.
 
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Incorrect.

The operation of PSAP's in NYS are governed by Title 21 Chapter LX "New York State 911 Board"

21 CRR-NY 5203.1 defines PSAP as:



Operation by a local or state governmental entity is the requirement, not "law enforcement agency".

Certainly there are plenty of PSAP's throughout the state that are operated by local or state law enforcement agencies, but it's not a requirement. A county-operated 911 center not under the jurisdiction of a law enforcement agency is perfectly acceptable.

It's also worth noting that the routing of 911 calls often depends on their origin. In Rockland County, for example, landline 911 calls are routed to the local police department PSAP for each town or village. Cellular 911 calls, on the other hand, are routed to the county 911 center.

The transfer of 911 calls between the various PSAP's all depends on which services are being requested, and who dispatches what. That's determined by local policy as appropriate.

Same thing in Erie County, Landline 911 to your local PSAP (if your town has one), otherwise it goes to Erie County Central Police Services, who will then properly route your call.
 

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Some corrections and/or updates.

In NY it has been stated that a county or designated entity can be the local 911 PSAP. This usually traces back to the establishment of 911 waaaay back in the day as part of county fire/ems dispatch centers that may or may not have been a part of, or dispatched by the county sheriff. Each county had their own setup.

When 911 came along, counties were able to do some consolidation and coordination of services, and some sheriff's didn't want it. Some did.

Remember, most of NY is rural outside of the metro areas. Those metro areas may have city based 911 and answered by the local police department.

Cell phones typically went to the county or state in most locations when cells started to become popular due to the unknown nature of the location (prior to the FCC Cell911 mandates). This happened as (at the time) many towers were located along highways/interstates and each site had a physical address attached to it. So, buy default (depending on state policies and local telephone company policies) they were routed that way.

Fast forward to present day, all cell phones have GPS, 911 systems were upgraded to process lat/long and have appropriate mapping software to give an approximate location. This allowed cell calls to be routed to the local 911 PSAP instead of the state police or another designated call center.

When a site comes up with a blank or 911 lat/long information isn't transmitted, calls will either go to the PSAP where the cell site is or defaults back to the original primary call center from the pre-GPS days. Very rare that it happens these days, but does still happen.

ANI-Automatic Number Information
ALI-Automatic Location Information
 

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In practical terms, at least in MA, most combined PSAP operations are controlled by the police, not fire. Boston PD runs the PSAP in Boston, even though technically it's a city asset. Many of the small towns that I work with have their calls answered by a combined PSAP, all of which are located in either the police station or on the police side of the public safety building.

A lof of that is a matter of budget where the town pays for 24 hour dispatch at the PD and doesn't want to duplicate that over at the FD.
 

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PSAPS IN NYS

There is a a REQUIREMENT that the First agency to answer a 911 call be a Law Enforcement Agency thats exactly what happens in Westchester county NY if You called 911 in say Ardsley You will get Ardsley police then after that the person answering will ask WHAT is Your Emergency?, at that point the transfer is made if it is not a police matter, Such as ems, or fire. Dispatch centers can be combined. BUT the FIRST Agency to Answer Your Call will be a someone from a Law Enforcement agency. The call might be transferred Six times BUT the LAW ALWAYS ANSWERS FIRST. !!!ITS A LAW!!! LOOK IT UP
This what the set up here in NY. NOT !!!Canada," so Canada might be different. NO REASON for the WISE COMMENT SIR


PS. ITS NOT MY FAULT IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WORK FOR. LOL
 
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emt587 - please stop spreading misinformation. Another user posted the actual text of the law and nowhere there does it say it must be a law enforcement agency. Heck, up here there are private companies that aren't law enforcement related at all answering 911.
 
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Citation Please :roll:
There is a a REQUIREMENT that the First agency to answer a 911 call be a Law Enforcement Agency thats exactly what happens in Westchester county NY if You called 911 in say Ardsley You will get Ardsley police then after that the person answering will ask WHAT is Your Emergency?, at that point the transfer is made if it is not a police matter, Such as ems, or fire. Dispatch centers can be combined. BUT the FIRST Agency to Answer Your Call will be a someone from a Law Enforcement agency. The call might be transferred Six times BUT the LAW ALWAYS ANSWERS FIRST. !!!ITS A LAW!!! LOOK IT UP
This what the set up here in NY. NOT !!!Canada," so Canada might be different. NO REASON for the WISE COMMENT SIR


PS. ITS NOT MY FAULT IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WORK FOR. LOL
 
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There is a a REQUIREMENT that the First agency to answer a 911 call be a Law Enforcement Agency thats exactly what happens in Westchester county NY if You called 911 in say Ardsley You will get Ardsley police then after that the person answering will ask WHAT is Your Emergency?, at that point the transfer is made if it is not a police matter, Such as ems, or fire. Dispatch centers can be combined. BUT the FIRST Agency to Answer Your Call will be a someone from a Law Enforcement agency. The call might be transferred Six times BUT the LAW ALWAYS ANSWERS FIRST. !!!ITS A LAW!!! LOOK IT UP
This what the set up here in NY. NOT !!!Canada," so Canada might be different. NO REASON for the WISE COMMENT SIR


He sounds like the Sheriff in Putnam County NY who actually to ensure they got the PSAP over Fire had Sheriff Detectives follow the Fire Officials for months looking for an issue to jam them up and then arrested them for DUI. That Sheriff then quickly retired and moved to Copland (Florida) and the County then had to settle for a significant amount in the multiple lawsuits brought after an investigation of what he did.

BTW unless you have lived Westchester County for the last 50 years (I have) you have no idea what the politics of that County really are. 911 took nearly 30 years to implement due to the little fifedoms in the County. Mostly the PD's fought it fearing a big County takeover (happening to some extent now) of their towns, so they fought it until the technology caught up to what they wanted. Multiple PSAP's for the same geographic area. New York Tel/Verizon had to actually create a database based on household location and have the call directed to the correct agency for answering.
 

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There is a a REQUIREMENT that the First agency to answer a 911 call be a Law Enforcement Agency thats exactly what happens in Westchester county NY if You called 911 in say Ardsley You will get Ardsley police then after that the person answering will ask WHAT is Your Emergency?, at that point the transfer is made if it is not a police matter, Such as ems, or fire. Dispatch centers can be combined. BUT the FIRST Agency to Answer Your Call will be a someone from a Law Enforcement agency. The call might be transferred Six times BUT the LAW ALWAYS ANSWERS FIRST. !!!ITS A LAW!!! LOOK IT UP
This what the set up here in NY. NOT !!!Canada," so Canada might be different. NO REASON for the WISE COMMENT SIR


PS. ITS NOT MY FAULT IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHO YOU WORK FOR. LOL
Sorry, but you are wrong. The chapter and verse of the law was already quoted earlier in the thread. If you can't provide a similar reference, stomping your foot and calling others out isn't going to change things.

I worked for nearly 30 years for a PSAP that was not operated by LE. It was and still is the only 911 PSAP in the county. In the early days, some other agencies wanted calls routed to them first, but because we had the only operational CAD and 911 database in the region, it was determined that unidentified locale calls would be routed to us where we had the training, manpower, and technology to figure out where the caller actually was located and to route that call to the proper PSAP without delay.

I know there were and still are lots of fiefdom issues downstate and on the island but just because there are some very convoluted local agreements/disagreements down there does not mean that it is law for the rest of us to abide by.

Quite frankly, there are no role models down there when it comes to inter-agency cooperation, especially around 911 issues.
 

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Cellular calls in Albany County used to default to NYSDOT's TMC, where Troop G's dispatchers were located. Now I believe they go to the new Troop G HQ in Colonie. Calls on I-787 are sometimes answered by Rensselaer County because some of the cell towers that serve the highway are there. They are trying to work out a way to have all I-787 calls routed to someone in Albany County, but I'm not sure how much progress they have made.

I think the current system is for the Rensselaer County center to forward the call as soon as they find out it's coming from I-787.
 

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California is the only state that I am personally aware of that has a legal requirement that 911 is answered by a LE agency.
 
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