Official Uniden BC246T Scanner Thread

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:( Nice idea, but I don't like the coverage that this includes. Also, it isn't digital and it uses a battery pack. All I can say to Uniden is TRY AGAIN!!!
 

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"But it's not digital."

From the PR >> "Representing the first in a new generation of compact handheld scanners"

"Nice idea, but I don't like the coverage that this includes."

The coverage fills 100% of the scanning I do, and I imagine most everyone who would be buying a BC245.

"Also, it isn't digital"

Noted several times. It specifically says "first in a new generation" -- since most scanner users don't need digital why come out with the top-end first?

"and it uses a battery pack."

Not in any of the specs that have been posted -- it says this uses 2 AA's.

- Rob
 

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rdale said:
Noted several times. It specifically says "first in a new generation" -- since most scanner users don't need digital why come out with the top-end first?

Most scanner users don't need digital? I tend to disagree. I'm sure the thousands of scanner hobbyists who live in and around Los Angeles, Philly, Baltimore, Cleveland, Minneapolis, San Diego and all the other cities that are within earshot of APCO P25 compliant radio systems also would disagree with you.

I just don't get it, Uniden. Why not offer digital as an add on and let the buyer decide if they want digital or not, as was done with the first "digital ready" models? I thought this was a great concept, and then Uniden did a 180 with the 2nd generation digitals, and now you get the card whether you wanted it or not. I'm sure the 246D (or whatever it will be called) will be no different, and you'll get the card with the scanner even though, if you own the 250D and the 296D, you already have 2 of them. Sheesh, why even make the card removeable then? :roll:

It's a nice radio alright, but I really think Uniden is going to be surprised at how important digital capability is to today's scannists, especially when you consider that most of us working stiffs will only be able to afford to buy one new scanner this year, if that. Unless I win the lottery, LOL...

-AZ
 

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"Most scanner users don't need digital? I tend to disagree. I'm sure the thousands of scanner hobbyists who live in and around Los Angeles, Philly, Baltimore, Cleveland, Minneapolis, San Diego and all the other cities that are within earshot of APCO P25 compliant radio systems also would disagree with you. "

That still wouldn't be a majority of scanner users nationwide. Most means more than half, and clearly more than half still can get by without digital.

"I just don't get it, Uniden. Why not offer digital as an add on and let the buyer decide if they want digital or not, as was done with the first "digital ready" models? "

Because they make more money when they release that as the next version in a year or so.

- Rob
 

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The way I see it Radio shack has its offerings set up right as to digital versus non digital:

Rural/NON 800
Metro/Trunkers
Digital
Race scanners

This way you get to choose what you want. If you have digital areas, you buy the digital scanner. If all you need is a non digital conventional then you buy just that. If you need a non digital trunker voila. And if you already have a digital scanner that can do the systems in your area, then youd not need an additional digital scanner. Uniden is just doing the same thing. They are producing a non digital trunker, then a new non trunker will be made, then another digital will come out. Both companies do the same thing, just on a slightly different timeline.
 

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This scanner is not perfect but for people who do not need a digital scanner it is a handheld that will cover all of the truncking sytems used.
 

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Comprehensive Feature List (and still will probably miss a few)

  • * Dynamic Memory
    * System/Channel Group/Channel Lockouts
    * System/Channel Group Quick Keys
    * System/Channel Group/Channel Alpha Tagging
    * Priority Scanning
    * Priority Plus Scanning
    * Channel Alert
    * Channel Delay
    * Attenuator
    * Repeater Reverse
    * 25-54, 108-174, 216-225, 400-512, 806-824, 849-869, 894-956, 1240-1300 MHz
    * AM/FM/NFM
    * 5/6.25/7.5/10/12.5/15/25/50/100 kHz steps
    * 100 Ch/Sec scanning and searching (300 Ch/Sec Turbo Search)
    * Weather with SAME Alert, including multiple SAME group selection
    * 10 Custom Search ranges
    * Service Search (Public Safety, News, HAM, Marine, Railroad, Air, CB, FRS/GMRS, Racing, Special)
    * Rapid CTCSS/DCS Search
    * Frequency Autostore
    * ID Autostore
    * Quick Search
    * Search Frequency Lockout
    * Data Skip
    * Pager Screen
    * Motorola Type 1 800, Type II 800, 900, UHF, VHF trunking
    * EDACS Wide, Narrow, SCAT trunking
    * LTR trunking
    * Motorola Control Channel Only trunking
    * Battery Save
    * LCD Backlight
    * Key Beep
    * Key Lock
    * Close Call RF Capture with Exclusive, Override, Band Selection, Alert, and Auto Store
    * PC Control
    * Cloning
    * System Hold Time
    * ID Scan and Search
    * Status Bit
    * I-Call
    * AA Battery Operation with Internal Charging
 

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UPMan said:
Comprehensive Feature List (and still will probably miss a few)


  • * Priority Plus Scanning

heyyyy... this is starting to look interesting...

i wonder if they will allow 3000 Priority Plus channels?
 

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THis message was posted to Trunkcom and SCAN-L by Larry Va Horn - it explains how the new Uniden Dynamically Allocated Channels work:

Larry Van Horn said:
From: Larry Van Horn [larry@grove-ent.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:08 AM
To: SCAN-L@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Cc: trunkcom@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [TrunkCom] How does New Uniden "Dynamically Allocated
Channels"work?

I thought you folks might enjoy and appreciate this explanation on how the new Uniden Dynamic Memory Mamnagement feature works on their new scanners being released this year.

Traditional scanners all worked using predefined banks of channels. Essentially, the total number of channels available were divided by 10, and assigned to the 10 banks. So, a 300 channel had 10 banks of 30 channels each. A 1000 channel scanner had 10 banks of 100 channels each.

This worked ok for conventional scanners with limited channels. It was easy to partition the systems you wanted to listen to into 10 groups for monitoring. However, when trunking systems came along, things got messy. In addition to having more memory, these scanners had two kinds of
channels: frequency channels for the conventional and trunked system frequencies, and Talk Group ID channels for trunking system talk groups. Some trunking systems required only 4 or 5 control channels to be entered, which wasted the other 95 or so
frequency channels in the bank, but could have hundreds of talk groups...meaning that a single system would have to be entered in multiple banks if you wanted to monitor and track all the ID's.

Trunking radio systems themselves are hard enough to understand, but even if you got that, you now had to learn how to interpret and morph that understanding in order to store the information in your scanner...which did not share a structural organization anything like the trunking systems.

In the real world, radio systems are organized by:

System
Agency
Users

That is, each municipality has some definition of their radio system that includes Agencies (groups of users), then each agency has individual user channels. In a conventional system example (note that all frequencies are made up for this example...):

System: Dallas Public Safety (QK1)
Agency: Police (FQK1)
East Patrol 462.975
West Patrol 462.1375
North Patrol 462.375
CIC 462.125
Agency: Fire (FQK2)
Fire Dispatch 460.875
Fireground 1 460.925
Fireground 2 460.125
Agency: EMS (FQK2)
EMS Dispatch 463.975
EMS Channel 1 463.125
EMS Channel 2 463.375

In a conventional scanner, you would store each user in a channel. If you wanted Bank 1 to be only the police, then you would enter these four frequencies in channels in Bank 1, leaving the remaining 96 channels unused. Similarly for Banks 2 and 3. Or, you could put all of Dallas in Bank 1, then a different city in Bank 2, and so on. The drawback was that it was difficult to turn off single agencies within the city...but it more efficiently used the channels in each bank.

Here's a similar example of a trunked system (again, frequencies and talk group ID's are made up):

System: Fort Worth TRS (QK2)

Frequencies: 862.1275
862.375
863.1275
863.375

Agency: Police (FQK1)
East Patrol 2336
West Patrol 2354
CIC 2406
Agency: Fire (FQK2)
Fire Dispatch 12000
Fireground 1 12016
Fireground 2 12032
Agency: EMS (FQK2)
EMS Dispatch 13004
EMS Channel 1 13020
EMS Channel 2 13036

and so on. (Ignore the QK and FQK for now, we'll get to that, later.) Structurally, the systems look quite similar. However, with a trunked system, the frequency channels are simply an attribute of the system as a whole. Channels look just as they do on a conventional system, but use Talk Group ID's (TGID) instead of frequencies as specific user group identifiers.

In a conventional scanner, this would consume an entire bank...1/10 of the channel capacity of the radio to track even a small system using a few channels.

The BC246T models its memory structure after the real world. Instead of segregating channels into banks, all memory is managed as a pool, from which the user can define distinct systems.

All systems, both conventional and trunked, are organized similarly:

System (with quick key -- QK)
Channel Group (with func+quick key -- FQK)
Channel
Channel
Another Group
Channel
Channel

The user names the system and assigns attributes to the system.

For a conventional system, the main attribute is the quick key assigned to the system (QK). This key functions similar to the bank buttons on a conventional scanner, allowing the user to quickly select/deselect systems by pressing a keypad number while scanning. Unlike a conventional scanner, though, multiple systems can be assigned to the same quick key.

For a trunked system, the major attributes are the quick key and the frequency channels.

Beyond this, trunked and conventional systems are programmed nearly identically. Channel groups are created (these could be for agencies, geographic areas, or however the user wants to organize them). Each channel group can also be assigned secondary quick keys (FQK) that allow quick activation/deactivation of the channel group within the system. Then, channels are programmed into each channel group. For conventional systems, a channel is a frequency and its associated atributes (alpha tag, delay, step, etc). For trunked systems, a channel is a TGID and its assocated attributes (alpha tag, delay, priority, etc).

Each channel takes one memory space. For the above examples, the Dallas system would take up about 14 memory slots (including system and group
overhead) or 24 slots if all channels are alpha tagged and the Fort Worth TRS would take up about 19 memory slots or 28 if all channels are alpha tagged. The remaining memory slots are still free for additional systems and channels. Actual memory usage depends on the features being used, but the above numbers give you an idea of how things are stored.

When scanning, pressing the "1" button would turn on/off Dallas scanning. Pressing F would hold on the current system (let's assume that it is Dallas). Then, continuing to press F while pressing 1 would turn on/off the police channels within the Dallas system. Pressing F+2 would turn on/off both the Fire and EMS channels in the Dallas system, since both groups are assigned to the same F+ quick key.

This method provides complete channel flexibility, while maintaining the functionality of the 0-9 "bank" keys. It also makes turning subgroups on and off much easier...you don't have to be stopped on a channel to change the channel group status; just press F, scroll to the system if it isn't already the active one, then press the number buttons to select the groups to monitor.

My thanks to a friend out there in radioland for this explanation. I am looking forward to seeing this new model and putting it through its paces.

73 all and good hunting,

Larry Van Horn -- N5FPW
Monitoring Times Assistant Editor/Milcom Columnist
Grove Enterprises Technical Support Department
Telephone: V-828-837-9200/F-828-837-2216/800-438-8155
 

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Priority Plus is a feature found on new Uniden scanners that works to check ALL channels labelled "Priority" in every bank every 2 seconds.

it can be activated by pressing PRI button 2 times - the first time just checks the local bank's Priority channel every 2 seconds, whereas the second time checks ALL 10 BANKS Priority channel every 2 seconds.

great way to simultaneously check 10 freqs.

be advised that if you are scanning 2 or more banks, and activate Priority Plus, you may lock up the scanner until you can deactivate Priority Plus - it doesn't play well while trunktracking multiple banks.

i use it as a sort of "11th bank" in the BC296 to track a local LTR Passport site...

http://radioreference.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=10449
 

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rdale said:
That still wouldn't be a majority of scanner users nationwide. Most means more than half, and clearly more than half still can get by without digital.

You may be right, but it sucks regardless for those of us who DO need it. Still, I don't think this is asking for too much! It doesn't need to come with the card, just provide a SLOT for it, and then if you need digital you can pull the card outta your BC250D,296D,785D or 796D and you're set! No card, no biggie - offer it as a seperate item! This really isn't rocket science and gives Uniden a chance to offer the best of both worlds right out of the box. But your parting statement sums it up best, I think:

Because they make more money when they release that as the next version in a year or so.

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OK Uniden, your customers have spoken. Rob is not the only one I've spoken with who has this view of your company. Many others I've talked to feel this way (infact, I can't recall talking to anyone who DOESN'T think this is how Uniden does business).

The BC246T was the perfect chance for Uniden to change this perception and win back alot of customers who defected to GRE/RadioShack, but Uniden (in my opinion at least) dropped the ball, all over a feature (an optional card slot and 9600 trunking) that would have probably only increased per-unit costs by about $5 - a cost easily covered by a small increase in the wholesale price. Then they could have catered to EVERYONE at once, digital and non and took the market by storm with this scanner.

Instead, what do you offer us? The equivalent of the SI Swimsuit edition with no centerfold since "most people don't look at the centerfold anyway." OY VEY! I give up!
</rant>

-AZ
 

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Took a few reads but I think I follow and am very excited... But is there a limit to the total number of talkgroups or does that just subtract from the 3,300 "grand total" of talkgroups + conv freqs?

- Rob
 

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.. I think this BC-246t is a Phenominal Product!
Don't Forget it also has a Real built-in wireless frequency counter & "reaction Tune" type function too! The 4" x 2 x 1" (Approx), also is a great tiny size for those of us sick of bricks!
.. I just don't understand the whole mentality of some people " dissing" a great innovative product because it doesn't have the single cutting edge feature, (digital), "they need".
I'm sure there are "individuals" on the DVD player forums that think Sony, Pioneer ect all "dropped the ball because their newest innovative DVD players aren't all $1,000 units with a feature "they" need.....
 

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Because some locations "need" digital. I'm in one now but fortunately my county will be leaving digital, and it requires me to sell my Pro96 in the first place (it'll be narrow EDACS.) But it took a while for me to weigh the plus-es of the 246T vs missing digital of the 296D. In the end I'll get a 246T and 296D as my base, yet take the latter on the road while traveling.

- Rob
 

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Concrete1 said:
.. I think this BC-246t is a Phenominal Product!
Don't Forget it also has a Real built-in wireless frequency counter & "reaction Tune" type function too! The 4" x 2 x 1" (Approx), also is a great tiny size for those of us sick of bricks!
.. I just don't understand the whole mentality of some people " dissing" a great innovative product because it doesn't have the single cutting edge feature, (digital), "they need".
I'm sure there are "individuals" on the DVD player forums that think Sony, Pioneer ect all "dropped the ball because their newest innovative DVD players aren't all $1,000 units with a feature "they" need.....

Don't get me wrong, it does sound like a great product, and when the digital-capable version of it comes out, you can bet I'll be among the first to order it. I am by no means "dissing" this scanner. They've incorporated 99% of the features that I've been silenty praying for in a scanner for YEARS now.

It's just so frustrating to me to see a manufacturer like Uniden come so close to scanning perfection only to fall short by a simple no-brainer of a feature. It's like Uniden is a wide receiver that took a kickoff return all the way to the 99th yard line and then laid down for a nap.

It's also been argued that since this is the first generation of these new radios, theres no need for digital - this is their entry level scanner, the first in this series so that's why. Oh really....?

I don't think so people. This is not your average moe's entry level scanner here! It has everything, every bell and whistle one could dream of. Dynamic memory, 3300 possible channels, a built in reaction tuning frequency counter, DC to daylight coverage, alpha tags for everything, PC control, and so much more it boggles the mind! But no digital. WTF??? I say again: WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?

You know what this is like for those of us who live in these digital cities? Let me see if this puts it in perpective for you:

Imagine you're a kid again, and Santa himself comes to your door one day and says "what would you like for Christmas?" You tell him what you want and then he sets his workshop to work on your exact wish. Then, come Christmas day he proceeds to give your new toy to the nasty kid down the street (we all grew up near one of these) who was a complete prick and had everything he ever wanted already. Meanwhile all you got was a note that says "I couldn't add one of the things you asked me for on that toy you wanted, so I gave it to that other kid who didn't need that part. Maybe if you're very very good, I'll give you what you wanted NEXT YEAR". At which point, if you're like me, all you want to do is kick ole' Saint Nick in the shin and shove that note where the sun... well you get the idea. That's what this is like for those of us who live in digital-ville.

I know, I know, I should just get over it, but dammit - I want it NOW! I don't wanna wait for a whole stinking year!!!! :evil: IT'S NOT FAIR!!! (OK, maybe I'm taking the kid thing a little too far... :wink: )

Uniden, at least do us this favor... tell us poor digitalians that we won't have to wait forever for the digital version of this thing...please?

-AZ
 

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AZScanner said:
Don't get me wrong, it does sound like a great product, and when the digital-capable version of it comes out, you can bet I'll be among the first to order it. I am by no means "dissing" this scanner. They've incorporated 99% of the features that I've been silenty praying for in a scanner for YEARS now.

It's just so frustrating to me to see a manufacturer like Uniden come so close to scanning perfection only to fall short by a simple no-brainer of a feature. It's like Uniden is a wide receiver that took a kickoff return all the way to the 99th yard line and then laid down for a nap.

It's also been argued that since this is the first generation of these new radios, theres no need for digital - this is their entry level scanner, the first in this series so that's why. Oh really....?

I don't think so people. This is not your average moe's entry level scanner here! It has everything, every bell and whistle one could dream of. Dynamic memory, 3300 possible channels, a built in reaction tuning frequency counter, DC to daylight coverage, alpha tags for everything, PC control, and so much more it boggles the mind! But no digital. WTF??? I say again: WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?

You know what this is like for those of us who live in these digital cities? Let me see if this puts it in perpective for you:

Imagine you're a kid again, and Santa himself comes to your door one day and says "what would you like for Christmas?" You tell him what you want and then he sets his workshop to work on your exact wish. Then, come Christmas day he proceeds to give your new toy to the nasty kid down the street (we all grew up near one of these) who was a complete prick and had everything he ever wanted already. Meanwhile all you got was a note that says "I couldn't add one of the things you asked me for on that toy you wanted, so I gave it to that other kid who didn't need that part. Maybe if you're very very good, I'll give you what you wanted NEXT YEAR". At which point, if you're like me, all you want to do is kick ole' Saint Nick in the shin and shove that note where the sun... well you get the idea. That's what this is like for those of us who live in digital-ville.

I know, I know, I should just get over it, but dammit - I want it NOW! I don't wanna wait for a whole stinking year!!!! :evil: IT'S NOT FAIR!!! (OK, maybe I'm taking the kid thing a little too far... :wink: )

Uniden, at least do us this favor... tell us poor digitalians that we won't have to wait forever for the digital version of this thing...please?

-AZ
I have to agree. I would be willing to buy the first ones to hit the shelves IF they had DIGITAL. With East Baton Rouge Sheriffs Office already switched over on many of it's channels and the City of Baton Rouge in the process of switching it's talkgroups to digital there is no justification to spend the money on a trunktracker which only does analog. With just this one extra feature they could have practically shut Radio Shack/GRE out of the scanner market for good. Of course those of us wanting to monitor the Pointe Coupee Parish or New Orleans EDACS ProVoice systems are still left hanging but we continue to hold out hope that a ProVoice scanner will arrive in the coming years (Xmas 2005, maybe?).
Happy Scanning,
Steve
 
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